First upgrade for my cocker?

[spazzed]

Mag internals. You don't have to buy Anything from another company .. The internals are fine out of the box.

Not pos. about this, but you can't say the same things about cockers... If it were the same, then ANS, Shocktech, etc. wouldn't make the killing they do selling cocker parts.

[paintslinger]

close this thread before it is 2 late

Ok lets leave the funny stuff off! Or we can leave you outa it all together! - cphilip

[spazzed]

Mods, you wanna do something about this guy?

[banzaimf]

Paintslinger, that was uncalled for. Do yourself a favor and edit yourself.

Rancid Milk. The first thing that I would recommend that you get for your cocker would be an adjustable front reg. I prefer palmers Micro rock myself.

Second thing I would recommend is that the only ANS part that you ever think of getting is a gen -x reg. After all, deep down inside, it's a mag reg.

for a sub 200 budget I would get a Front reg, and a couple Lapco barrels. (different bore sizes)

[cphilip]

Good Angry we gonna all keep this good clean fun then unless some more idiots come along like that one above...

Funny that you trash the stock mag trigger and guess what! It seems the first thing a stock Cocker guys does is trash that WGP grip frame all to heck and put something better on... I have no trouble pullin the heck outa the mag one. And feel the stock Cocker one is equal but they both got room to improve. Heck most of em are exactly the same carbon fiber grip at the heart of it!

4 bps? Well realy I will give you that one. If thats all you need then that fine. It realy is all anyone needs. Wants? Well you know they want that ROF there! Just to brag on. Some actualy can use it. But a short burst is all either needs... So will have to say the mag takes that one but who realy cares huh?

SO we still not anywhere near "A stock cocker outperforms a stock mag, and no one can deny that." In fact nothing so far to put it over the edge far as I can tell. Even for you!




(added on edit I got a cocker too... and got lots of upgrades on it)

[spazzed]

Thanks cphillip...

Yet again, cphillip lays down the law. Anyone have a challenging rebuttal for this man? Come on!

[cphilip]

In order to be more constructive as my attempt at humor seemed not too welcome!

I second those Palmer Mini's are real nice. and I got a hold of an Eclipse hinge that is real sweet if you are looking grip frame. Very nice. Best I have felt on one.

[Jonno06]

the first upgrade i would get would the the Eclipse Blade trigger or some other type of swing trigger...

[potti]

i was able to get 9-10 bps tops with my old mag, using the stock carbon fiber frame. its all in how you shoot it. nobody can pick up a gun and know how to shoot 13 bps with it. you must "learn" the triggers first.

[sbikeclix]

the first upgrade I would get would be... a barrel first- anything but stock-lapco, j&j & cp are great barrels around 40-50$ , then probably a hinge (eclipse or wgp), and a new regulator (i like gladiators, sidewinders, air america-depends if youre running co2, preset nitro, etc.-, but i think gen-x is overpriced);
the only thing wrong with stock cocker parts is this- they are not very adjustable. operating & cocking pressures are set, as is trigger pull, efficicency, etc.-for most of the aftermarket parts ou there, the only thing they improve noticably is adjustability. so you dont really NEED to do anyting to a cocker to have it shoot great, it just feels good to say "i put 1000$ into this baby right here"

[EastAl]

Originally posted by spazzed
Mag internals. You don't have to buy Anything from another company .. The internals are fine out of the box.

Not pos. about this, but you can't say the same things about cockers... If it were the same, then ANS, Shocktech, etc. wouldn't make the killing they do selling cocker parts.

i've never been able to get into Mags. most of my experiance with them, has been rentals. and eveybody knows how rentals can leave a bad taste in your mouth(specially when you're a field ref, and you get noobs coming up to you with all kinds of stupid problems).

i was always a cocker guy. my back-up was all stock, except for a liitle polishing trigger frame, and a double trigger. my main gun had stock internal valves(never needed anything else), Spanky lightned front block(looked cool, more than anything), Palmer Quik Ram(fast as hell), STO 3-Way, Plamer Rock front reg, front block expansion chamber(we never could tell if these really worked, but they looked cool too), a stock inline Reg, Spanky S-back block, Marker Products Quik Bolt(Marker who? ), and a polished trigger job that i did myself. for barrels i switched between the stock 10"(the old school fat barrel), 14" aluminum Dye Broomstick, 14" aluminum G-1, and a 14" brass J&J.

the thing about cockers is, you take each mod in time. don't do everything at once, you'll end up with a gun that doesn't feel the same. find someone that knows how to work on them, and have them teach you to do basic maintenace on it. play with the gun until you feel you are ready for it to move in a different direction.

inline regs are a must. if you are using CO2, then get an anti-syphon installed on the tank.

usually trigger jobs are what i suggest first(simple, easy mod, that can be done by you, with little cost).

your shooting style will dictate what you do to your gun.
alot of cocker mods go hand in hand. but, are best taken in steps so the gun is tailored to you.

[Timmee]

Well, seeing as I own both a 'Mag and a Cocker, I feel I need to add my $0.02 to this thread. Yesterday I shot my Autococker, as well as borroed someone else's Autococker at the target range. Mine (with a swing trigger) was pretty good, but the one I borrowed (with a sliding trigger) was awesome. I could actually rip faster with that one than my own. His was a stock STO, and it's making me consider getting a sliding trigger.

On the other hand, I also shot my 'Mag yesterday (after finally getting it working at the end of the day). It was very crisp, and very fast. Which one would I choose? Depends on what type of game I'm playing. Speedball, I'd go with the 'Mag, as it's more compact. Woods, probably the Autococker, as I've got a 12" Teardrop on it that makes it easy for me to sight down (for those long range shots).

[paintbattler]

Originally posted by cphilip
A Mag would be my first upgrade on a Cocker...

EXACTLY

[magsRus]

Freak Kit..then Hinge

[Angry Man]

Paintbattler, would you like to give me one reason mags are better than cockers? Anyway....I agree that 4bps is really all you need. Sometimes I'd like a little more but very rarely. As for cocker stock parts being bad, I have to say that they are not...they are actually pretty awesome. Stock frame is great except that it's carbon fiber (like a mag frame) and some people don't like sliders.

As for why cockers have more parts, and why cockers are more common than mags, here is the main reason:

Cockers are more complex, so there are more parts that CAN be upgraded. Aftermarket companies make more parts for them, and these parts can be sold at HUGE profit margins. Stores make more money off cockers because of this, so they encourage people to buy them over mags, etc. Cockers become more popular, more companies make more parts and it just keeps on going....

Also, cphillip has been very mature about this argument and his points have all been well taken and very logical. I disagree with some of them, but I understand where he's coming from. Thank you.

Spazzed, you've been annoying and have not made one good point, paintbattler, you've been even worse. If you're gonna be critical of cockers at least back up what you're saying.