Proto Mainbodies NEED YOUR HELP!!

[Phil]

I personally wont purchase a mainbody that wont support my twistlock barrel no matter how cool it looks. Twistlock barrels are far too conveinent. The AGD people are smart. I'm sure that they can figure out a way to have cool mainbodies and keep the twistlock if they were so inclined. I would definately purchase a supercool mainbody for my emag if it supported my twistlock barrel.

[chrisj]

GREEN!

I love them, give me the basic design, with the most basic feed, in green. I also like the cocker threads, lots.

Chris

[TransMan]

Hey well i dont really like a few things about it the non twist lock being the biggest part. But anyway I havnt heard anything about making new bodies for the Old RT. So if anyone would like to tell me to how tight the tolerences on a mag body and a mag rail have to be. I want to try making my own Body and rail combination for my RT and if anyone has any pointers i would aprricate it thanks.

[AGD]

Here is the cutaway view, as you can see there is not much to work with. Think about cutting through the body in the front.

AGD

[Gundam V]

New mag body design

I think that the new body design it great, I like both the plain one and the one with rings. To keep the body cost effective, that is probably the best way and design to do it. I have taken a couple of machine shop classes and can tell you that doing a blocky design can get quite pricey. The design that is placed up on this thread is the best way to go. Tom, if you make'em put me on the list for one maybe two. Keep up the good work and hail the all powerful BORG General.

[Thordic]

You know, sometimes I think that Tom using AO as a marketing group isn't such a good idea.

Too often people expect too much of Tom just because he is willing to listen. And even then they aren't happy no matter what he puts out.

This body will DESTROY the "Mag's are heavy" arguement. It feels like you picked up a freaking cardboard tube.

And it looks the same! How can you complain about a tube when you ALL USE ONE? Not to mention a tube is the lightest possible design.

As for the barrels, the future of paintball is in cocker threads. Evolve, or become the next fossil Tom digs up in Montana. Everyone complains that nothing in Paintball is standardized, but then when things start to get standardized, they complain that the rest of the world isn't conforming to what THEY like.

Tom, the bottom line is I think this new body is an AMAZING development. If it doesn't go into mass production, I'll give my pinky for one of the prototypes.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Thordic
You know, sometimes I think that Tom using AO as a marketing group isn't such a good idea.

Too often people expect too much of Tom just because he is willing to listen. And even then they aren't happy no matter what he puts out.

This body will DESTROY the "Mag's are heavy" arguement. It feels like you picked up a freaking cardboard tube.

And it looks the same! How can you complain about a tube when you ALL USE ONE? Not to mention a tube is the lightest possible design.

As for the barrels, the future of paintball is in cocker threads. Evolve, or become the next fossil Tom digs up in Montana. Everyone complains that nothing in Paintball is standardized, but then when things start to get standardized, they complain that the rest of the world isn't conforming to what THEY like.

Tom, the bottom line is I think this new body is an AMAZING development. If it doesn't go into mass production, I'll give my pinky for one of the prototypes.

I think that once AGD goes over to all cocker threads they should be called Auto threads since both Automags and Autocockers use them...

[Jerhew]

here's the thing
most of the twist lock people are harcore oldskool mag owners(as am I)
the people who Tom is trying to appeal to is new owners
he's smart...color anno, cocker threads, vert feed, lightweight(although i don't buy that mags are at all heavy),
fancy maching....
it appeals to the paintball masses

for a lot of us oldschoolers though...
it's just not necessary
i love the fact that my gun is made out of high grade stainless steel
for me i'd stick with it over aluminum any day
my other gun is a typhoon so to me a mag is very light
basically you're on the right track tom
I'd sell it with the lvl 10 inside already and offer it with the intelliframe as a slightly upgraded option....options options options

another thing i'd try and change is the rail itself...
since you can't get rid of it...how about altering it in some way...different color anno... maybe make some more cuts in it...or drop off most or all of the sight rails
just a thought

as long as you're making changes...
people seem to prefer 45 grip frames
how about a cheaper single finger 45 grip
people like changing the grip...kids like clear dye stickies...etc
i have to admit my intelliframe dressed up my mag more than i imagined

[aaron_mag]

Is this prototype usable? Can we, for example, see a picture of one with a barrel and on an intellifeed? Some of us are not visionaries and cannot picture it.

I agree with Thordic. Cocker Threads....no problem. I have a twist lock barrel now but for a lighter body and low rise vertical feed I'd buy a cocker barrel.

Tube design. Look at the picture that footemps attached.

These markers look very sexy and efficient and they are basically tube design. I like the integrated sight rail but if it would cost too much then I could live without it.

As for power feed versus vertical feed lets look at which way the industry is going. People in general appear to prefer the vertical feed and I know that I would like it as well. Someone said that AGD seemed like it was selling out to the market. Let me ask this question....what is a business supposed to do? Answer: Sell to the market.

Looks like something I would buy (but then again I'm only one person). Would like to see it with a different feed tube (Bob Long one is ugly), barrel, and intelliframe. Partially for my personal curiousity but I think that we would really be able to give Tom our "total effect" opinion.

[SaS]

i really like the idea that the feed neck is removable... if that remains on the production model, would make nice options availible... but then again, problems of the neck coming loose could arrise. But what do i know, i've never messed with a vert feed before

modular would be NICE... but then again, maybe not cost effective... to effectivly replace the current it needs to be better looking(or can become), around the same price(or cheaper), increased performance needs to outweight any increased faults(reduced weight for the duribility of stainless)


those two that TK showed us would be really nice... cost effective and they would make the mag even lighter (which personally, i would love)

i was thinking that a hot-rod style flame Cnc would be really cool(a REALLY thin cut on the original tube... but probably wouldn't be mechanical possible or very cost effective)

anodizing the flame might be cool too...

i just threw this together to show some ideas and hopfully inspire those who have photoshop... and skill
I'll work on a picture of that Cnc flame job i was talking about... ready in a day

[Potatoboy]

Whelp, it's 5am, and this is the best I can do. I think giving it an RTPro/Emag style front does wonders, maybe add some grooves at the same angle.

I know the curve looks silly, but I don't have the mental capacity to make it look decent right now, just an idea.

[P8ntballerAK]

tom, how about using an aluminium alloy? There are some real strong aluminium alloys on the market, and it would greatly increase the "machinability" of the body, as well as make it stronger.

I will photoshop a few ideas as soon as I can.

[Slapp]

This lighter, less expensive body is a great idea. A version with the feed rotated to the side for warp users should be easy to produce too. Screw in cocker barrel threading sounds good to me even though I've already got a bunch of mag barrels. I'd like to see these make it into actual production with a pure function over form design. Nevermind the "ribbed for her pleasure" milling. Tom, keep em simple, light and inexpensive and bring them to market.

If folks want the custom appearance of a C&C Extreme then they can pay for it along with fade anno, modular breaches and anti chop eye. They can also wait forever to see the product make it into mass production so they can actually own one. I don't need eye candy to shoot someone with. I want a light, simple, trouble free marker at a good price point. That's why I bought a Mag in the first place. It sounds like these are both lighter and cheaper than the SS bodies and they easily retrofit on standard mags, RT pro's and emags. That's all good and no bad. Bravo!

[luke]

I like the ribbed one.

After reading the majority of posts, I see most people aren't thinking within the guidelines that were set. I would hate to see this shot down by those that don't understand the limitations on this particular body/design. I bet most didn't even read the entire thread before they gave their opinion. At the very least, you should read all of Toms posts to get the facts.

It's about options and variety guys, lets help make it happen.

[Severe]

First of all, let me say up front that I'm just an avid rec-baller. I play 2-3 weekends per month with my TKO .68 classic in mostly wood and senerio games. I love my marker. I am in NO way a speed baller or tourney player. I have no idea what percentage of paintball demographics players like myself make up.

I think the aluminum body is a great idea. I'm even on board with the 'cocker threads (I especially like the calling them 'auto' threads idea). The one issue I'm having is I'm a die hard power feed fan. Rather than just ***** about the vert feed, what about an attachment option?

I know it's not as modular as the breech on the emag but it's the exact same concept. It would allow for easy change between vert and powerfeed left/right or even Warp feed.

I have no skills with photoshop so I'll try to explain. If it sounds feasible, maybe someone could render it.

Basically the body is cut with a "U" where the breech would be. A second piece would attach to the frame over this opening providing the desired feed. It could attack with 2-4 small screws.

I think this would reduce the milling/lathing cost of the body itself, but there would be the cost of producing a second part or a series of them. The marker could be sold with one feed type with the others available seperately or in kits. Think of the Freak system...but one extra insert, or buy the whole enchilada. This gives the purchaser a wide range of options on the same maker. It also gives them something else to anondize if they want.

The only example I can think of for what I'm trying to explain is Worr's BOSS Raider series of markers. It's a spyder knock-off with a changable feed that attaches with two screws on top of the frame. I'm confident AGD could do a design like this and it would be MUCH cleaner and tighter than my example.

Bottom line, it's great to see AGD trying to provide the public with what it wants!!

For the time being, I'm still looking for a Teflon black powerfeed left Micromag body.