Some interesting Reffing Observations...

[hitech]

Originally posted by cphilip
You and I interpret it the same way for lack of anything better. It should be clearly defined was the point I was trying to make.

It really needs to be addressed in the rules. I would interpret it differently.

First:

10.21. A player is eliminated if a paintball shot by a live member of the opposing team or such player's team strikes that player or anything he IS wearing or carrying...

If you or anything that you ARE wearing or carrying is hit you are out. If you are NOT wearing or carrying it and it is hit then you are not out.

Next:

10.25. Players that separate from any piece of equipment or clothing that they brought onto the game field by more than 5 feet, except squeegees, rags or pods used in holding paintballs will be immediately eliminated

You are out if you separate from your equipment (with exceptions). There is NOTHING, however, that states that you are out if you pick up your equipment that was marked while you were NOT wearing or carrying it. 10.21 only addresses being eliminated if marked while wearing or carrying equipment. Granted, if the ref was unaware that it was marked while you were not wearing or carrying it they would have no choice but to call you out. But if they were aware they should NOT call you out. NOTHING in these two rules states that you would be out if you picked up a piece of marked equipment. Now, I not against being out in the circumstance (as I stated above), but it NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN IN THE RULES.

BTW, I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm enjoying this discussion of the rules.

[athomas]

In our area we play by NPPL rules as closely as we can. Sometimes the scoring is different but any differences are noted before the event.

In the case of empty pods, they must be thrown behind the player. If they are thrown forward of the player, they are considered to be in play and the player throwing the pod could be eliminated if the pod is hit. If the pod goes more than 5 feet, then the player is considered to have moved more than 5 feet from his equipment and is eliminated.

In the event that a pod is chucked to another player, if pod is thrown forward, the same rule applies as per the empty pod. If the pod is thrown behind the player, then it is considered safe. Technically, you can get a ref to wipe a paint hit from any item that is not part of a player or equipment. Therefore if the free full pod gets hit, you can request a ref wipe the pod, at which time it becomes a safe item to pick up. The ref may or may not wipe the item at his/her discretion as per most refing requests. Most will.

Its the same as the flag. The flag may get hit before a grab. That doesn't mean that anyone grabbing the flag with the hit on it is eliminated.

[TheTramp]

I like the idea that a full pod thrown to another player that is hit in the air is now eliminated. ie. Anyone picking it up is now carying a marked piece of equipment and as such is eliminated.

The question I have is...if a full pod is left in a bunker (or thrown half way across ect) and an opposing team member reaches it (takes that bunker, runs passed it or whatever), can they use the paint? If not, why not. It technecly (I think acording to the rules) doesn't "belong" to anyone so why can't it be used by anyone?

[hitech]

Anyone else. This was just getting good...

[cphilip]

Well some people then do seem to be interpreting the picked up marked item differently then. I am talking to some that feel its already very clear that if its marked before it was picked up that your out. I do not myself see it as being THAT clear. Very interesting. never heard the forward or back throwing definition.

I suppose you could mark that left behind pod so no one COULD pick it up and should if thats the way you are playing it. Or you SHOULD use that guys paint!! Far as I know that full pod is discarded and belongs to no one so you can pick it up and use it. However if its marked then your out by what most people are using. Thats the way I would call it.

Here was my pitiful attempt to rewrite that passage:

10.25. Players that separate from any piece of equipment or clothing that they brought onto the game field by more than 5 feet, except squeegees, rags or pods used in holding paintballs will be immediately eliminated. In the case of discarded, intentionally left behind or thrown pods that retain any quantity of paint; if they are retrieved by any other player intent on using them as equipment, these will then become a part of that players equipment and any previous marking or subsequent markings of them will result in elimination of that player as if they were marked while in their possession.

[TheTramp]

Personaly I think that is a good clarification and/or interpretation. It allows one to transfer full pods (ie pods containing any paint) but also puts fair rules on the action. Now we just have to get people to agree with us.

[hitech]

I also think that is a good clarification. However, I think that you should have to keep everything you started with (pods included). If they are hit, you are out.

[hitech]

Originally posted by gatorchris
I would probably chrono the player moving it...I think it would take a middle to high bore rifle to get that thing moving

If it were empty? I'd think it could be moved by a paintball impact then.

[gatorchris]

Youve obviously never picked up a B... They arent remotely light (six AAs), I seriously doubt it would move an inch if shot from 5 feet away. I may actually suck up the cleaning time to try it next time Im playing just to see.

[hitech]

Originally posted by gatorchris
Youve obviously never picked up a B... They arent remotely light (six AAs)

Your right, they are very heavy and wouldn't move much. I was referring to a revy. An empty revy is fairly light.

[Duke Henry]

Some really good points have been brought up. I wanted to share an experience I had at a local tourney in the beginning of the year.

Now, most tourneys in Canada run "Modified NPPL rules" meaning they can tinker with the rules all they want. However, a tourney I played in May addressed one of the issues (sort of) that has recently been brought up. In the captain's meeting the ultimate ref specifically stated:

That is you are in the process of throwing a pod (or reloading or whatever) and the pod is hit, you are out. (No question on that one).

If you have tossed the pod, and it is hit in the air, if it is within 5 feet of the thrower, the thrower is out. If it is not, the first person to touch it is out.

If you toss, empty a pod, or otherwise separate yourself from a pod, the pod is STILL in play. Pods were not allowed to be tossed off of the field, and if hit the owner would be eliminated. Now, since there really is not time to check bunkers for hidden pods (as it was sup air and most people would just toss them under the bunkers) it was a non-issue since no one even attempted to start bunkering pods.

Even still, I find some of these rules kind of strange (the ones I have posted). I am just glad that nothing occurred to make the judges utilize these rules.

[hitech]

It sounds like they were trying to keep players from discarding pods. If so, they rule should have said that you cannot discard pods. You must keep them or give "control" to someone else.

[Duke Henry]

Agreed. No one even tried to shoot pods laying on the ground - they were technically in play, but I guess players were too worried about shooting another teammates' pods. Either that, or they did not want an elimination by shooting out someone's pods.

Either way, I am glad I always put my pods back in my pack after reloading. Saves the effort of trying to track them down after a game. (Not the identifcation, but the endless walking from bunker to bunker thinking "Did I go to this bunker?")

Side question: if you do play with pods that are still legal after use, how do you find out who's pod it is? In the heat of battle the ref has to run in, check to see if a name is on it, then call out that person? Sounds ridiculous!

[gatorchris]

Its bizarre to read that, must be a Canadian thing Ive never heard of any tourney monitor spent pod disposal, guess its possible though.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Duke Henry
Side question: if you do play with pods that are still legal after use, how do you find out whose pod it is? In the heat of battle the ref has to run in, check to see if a name is on it, then call out that person? Sounds ridiculous!

It sounds ridiculous because it is! They really just shouldn't allow you to separate from your equipment.