No Warped Sportz or Angel heaven at World Cup

[Sledgehammer]

See, that is really not an issue over here in Germany:

Legal drinking age (at least for beer and wine) is 16
Legal paintball playing age is 18

[cphilip]

Hehehehehehehehehehe...(cough, cough) Bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[ogre55]

Originally posted by hitech


That has been my observation also. It appears to have actually gone down hill since the early '90s. I would have expected it to be better, not worse.

Doesn't suprise me in the least. Do you think proffessional players in more established sports 50 years ago were as rowdy and "un" profossional as todays pro baseball/basketball/football players?

Ogre

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Thordic
Angel Heaven is a fenced-off area with free beer, music, women, couches, etc. If you have an angel, or good connections , you get a medallion that grants you access.

Sounds like the champayne room or VIP lounge at most strip joints.

Ogre

[JEDI]

I guess its just some level of immaturity in me but I like the usual amount of craziness. Its plain fun. Lets keep it from getting out of control and all should be good. I'm just generally weary about losing privledges. Next thing you know donut orgies will be considered Dangerous!

[FistS]

Adam,
Are you guys going to WC? Dead Cell that is. I've been looking to talk to you or jeremy in person about the team and ****, but havnt seen you since AO day NJ and Jeremey is never home.

If your going to WC, bring home some nice photos!

[JEDI]

Yeah dude, we're going the 22 & 23. I'll get an S load of pictures. I'll tell jer to get in touch with you.

[Thordic]

JEDI - I agree, I had a blast at IAO.

But when things got out of control, and you have to babysit for someone rampaging through the food court, it becomes a problem

I wish we could have the best of both worlds where we could party and get crazy and no one would care and/or notice.

Paintball should look towards skiing. Anyone here ever go to Killington or any other big ski resort?

You ski all day, not too much craziness because there are families and kids around.

After the day is over though, you take your shower, get dressed, and head out for apres' ski. Apres' ski is half the fun of going to big ski resorts

We just need to start the Apres' Paintball movement.

Syndicate threw a party at IAO, but it was LAME. We need to get WOMEN to the afterparties!!!!

[halB]

Paintball is growing. More families with small children are attending our events. Companies, such as Disney, are beginning to view paintball in a serious and favorable light. We are subject to greater scrutiny by applicable governmental agencies. We have to act, as an industry, in a manner that takes the foregoing into account and does not jeopardize our tournaments, our sport or the growth of our industry

answer me, honestly. do you WANT paintball to be like this?? to be some stuck up organization thats disneys "lady"? do we really wanna have donald duck playing paintball, or some 40 year old soccer mom playing tourneys? NO. paintball is an EXTREME sport. if the founders of paintball were dead, theyd be rolling over in their graves right now. what good is it if the sport grows to rapid new heights, but only as some stuck up organization where we observe tea time and shoot our markers with our pinkies sticking out? i want midgets, and i want strippers at my events. and if some 40 year old mom sees that and doesnt like it, well welcome to the 21st century lady. we aint a bunch of puritans anymore, and we sure as hell arent fundamentalist muslims. this is america. we like our language rough, our beverages alcoholic, and our women naked. think thats bad, then you dont know our founding fathers. ben franklin got it on with more ladies over in france than you can shake a stick at, and he was 70! patrick henry slept with a barrel of wine next to his bed. so why the hell are we backpedalling and sending this grand, relatively new sport back to the middle ages?

[shartley]

Originally posted by JEDI
I guess its just some level of immaturity in me but I like the usual amount of craziness. Its plain fun. Lets keep it from getting out of control and all should be good. I'm just generally weary about losing privledges. Next thing you know donut orgies will be considered Dangerous!

[shartley]

Originally posted by halB


answer me, honestly. do you WANT paintball to be like this?? to be some stuck up organization thats disneys "lady"? do we really wanna have donald duck playing paintball, or some 40 year old soccer mom playing tourneys? NO. paintball is an EXTREME sport. if the founders of paintball were dead, theyd be rolling over in their graves right now. what good is it if the sport grows to rapid new heights, but only as some stuck up organization where we observe tea time and shoot our markers with our pinkies sticking out? i want midgets, and i want strippers at my events. and if some 40 year old mom sees that and doesnt like it, well welcome to the 21st century lady. we aint a bunch of puritans anymore, and we sure as hell arent fundamentalist muslims. this is america. we like our language rough, our beverages alcoholic, and our women naked. think thats bad, then you dont know our founding fathers. ben franklin got it on with more ladies over in france than you can shake a stick at, and he was 70! patrick henry slept with a barrel of wine next to his bed. so why the hell are we backpedalling and sending this grand, relatively new sport back to the middle ages?

[Thordic]

Originally posted by halB
this is america. we like our language rough, our beverages alcoholic, and our women naked.

I dunno why, but I love that quote

Originally posted by Shartley
And do you think Tournaments are the ONLY thing paintball is about? And although my Wife fits the description of that 40 year old Soccer Mom, do you honestly think she even WANTS to play in a Tournament?

PSP doesn't effect recball, though. The "wild" stuff is localized to tournaments. So his arguement still does hold some water, even though I don't totally agree with it.

If we could totally seperate paintball, it would be a valid arguement. But the fact is recball and touney ball are linked. What happens at tournaments reflects on recball, and vice versa.

I don't want tournaments turning into the Martha Stewart show, if I could plan a tournament with a full range of entertainment, I'd probably end up in jail, but the fact is "tournament paintballers" aren't the only people at "tournament paintball" events. If they were this would be a much simpler situation

[ogre55]

Halb:

On the one hand I want to agree with you. I really do and you can check my earlier post in this thread to prove it.

On the other hand, the way you describe it, you want paintball to turn into the World Wresting Federation (Entertainment?). Why does everything have to go to extremes. I don't agree with PSPs decision but that is because I think that their rules of "no lewd or lascivious conduct" are overbroad and, in the long run, counterproductive.

Here's a hint to anyone who wants to compete with PSP. Hold big time events and forego the "no lewd or lascivious conduct" rule. Given the choice which event do you thing vendors and bystanders would rather go to. Well it's not going to be the one being held by the tea tottlers.

But we also have to watch out. I am not the first one to say this, and I won't be the last, we are not just any other extreme sport. Off all of them, we are the only ones where the basic equipment involves a "gun". We will always be held to a higher level of scrutiny. In the professional arena, where there is best chance of media exposure, we should be mindful of our Ps and Qs, at least to a point.

I see no problem with serving booze to consenting adults, but when, as Thordic related the incident, some dumb kid starts getting drunk and rowdy in a public area, we have to all take a step back and think about what is going on. Most proffessional sports venues serve alcahol, but they also make sure not to serve it to minors. Paintball events should be no different. Again, PSP went overboard by banning it completely. I say if you want to serve alcahol at your booth, go through the proper channels of the municipalty for wherever the event you are attending is being held, and get a liquor license. This takes some pressure off PSP and forces vendors to take responsibility for thier actions.

PSP is overreacting to the events at Campaign Cup and IAO. They are using a bazooka to swat a fly and the result will probably be that they will blow themselves up in the process.

Ogre

[shartley]

Originally posted by Thordic
PSP doesn't effect recball, though. The "wild" stuff is localized to tournaments. So his arguement still does hold some water, even though I don't totally agree with it.

If we could totally seperate paintball, it would be a valid arguement. But the fact is recball and touney ball are linked. What happens at tournaments reflects on recball, and vice versa.

I don't want tournaments turning into the Martha Stewart show, if I could plan a tournament with a full range of entertainment, I'd probably end up in jail, but the fact is "tournament paintballers" aren't the only people at "tournament paintball" events. If they were this would be a much simpler situation

[Sledgehammer]

Shartley: is that a different place in the US? In Europe the usual place to get drunk when skiing are little (or bigger) huts directly on the ski slopes...