No Warped Sportz or Angel heaven at World Cup

[billmi]

And a note on room trashing....

In the NPPL rules, trashing a hotel room is an offense resulting in a 1 year suspension from the league.

That's not PSP getting strict, it's a rule placed by the player representatives on the league rules committee.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[shartley]

Originally posted by billmi
And a note on room trashing....

In the NPPL rules, trashing a hotel room is an offense resulting in a 1 year suspension from the league.

That's not PSP getting strict, it's a rule placed by the player representatives on the league rules committee.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[JEDI]

Party poopers

[Thordic]

It was a scenario game, we're still safe

And at least they can't suspend you from trashing hotel rooms! That would just suck. That was like my second career for a few years.

[JEDI]

Shatner- Damn it! Jim... They've.. trashed the...hotel room!
Scotty- I'm giving it all she's got captain!

[GT]

[Thordic]

Every major sport has alcohol for sale to the spectators. Sorry, but that arguement doesn't hold water.

Also, I'd change that age bracket. A signfigant portion of paintballers, especially at the upper tournament level, are of the legal age to drink.

Note: When I went to IAO, I didn't expect any alcohol to be served. I was surprised when it was. I think there's nothing wrong with it as long as it's controlled.

[JEDI]

Alcohol is sold at nearly every American sporting event. What if your son or daughter was on the way to a paintball event and fell in an open man hole. (does that make any sense?--no). Moderation is the key. Besides, we've moved away from the main issue. Who cares about the beer.(me) I don't like the fact that some things are being labeled lewd or unacceptable. DAMN THORDIC YOU TYPE TOO FAST.

[JEDI]

I guess I'm not the only one that leaves threads open ALL day, and just hits refresh.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by billmi


I don't understand this at all. PSP has stated that their new insurance policy does not allow alcohol on the site. Regardless of getting liquor licenses, if they allowed alcohol on site, they would invalidate their insurance coverage.

I was not aware of this when I posted. Thanks for the clarification Bill.

Originally posted by billmi
I don't think that's any more "overreacting" than requiring goggles, or requiring players to tune their guns to under 300 fps., also requirements of their insurance program.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

I still think that PSP is overreacting by banning what they term as "lewd and lascivious" conduct. One man's lewd is another man's entertainment. Sure it's their event and they can go whatever they want with it, but their method seems a bit heavy handed. Why don't they just make it a policy that if a vendor wants to do something a little more risque, that they have to run it by PSP first and it has to be subject to PSP's approval.

This would potentially solve many problems.

Ogre

[halB]

im not familiar with the psp, but i know the nppl is run by a board of directors thats had an extremely dodgy past, and is marred by constant contreversy. i also think in the nppl no normal player can join, its an elitest organization. i dont know bout the psp, but im guessing no normal player can up and join it. so why dont we just form our own damn organization, have that host the tournies, and let the PLAYERS decide whats best for the sport, not a bunch of people who stand to make money from everything.

[thei3ug]

Originally posted by Rooster
I'm not going to shed a tear for warped sports, becuase they are everything paitball shouldn't be.

I resent this comment just a tad... since WS is one of the few companies that attempted to market paintball outside of the comfy niche it has grown into. Yah you see Dye all over the magazines... but all that money they spend on niche marketing doesn't allow them much branch funding. Very few make the move to bring new markets into Paintball. Palmer doesn't ever participate in tournament politics, yet for some reason no one claims he's a bigot and a fool.

Ed Poorman IS on the PSP board if you read that last link... this isn't a league dispute, this isn't a vendor boycotting the NPPL... this isn't anything anyone claimed it to be on this board.

This is Ed Poorman wanting tattoos and alcohol on his booth... Now everyone has opinions on these. Maybe it's a good idea, maybe it isn't to have either of these.

BUT HE WANTED MIDGETS! Come on guys, Midgets are freakin awesome! But PSP was worried. Maybe it was premature judgement, maybe Ed didn't want to go through the planning phases all over again, but he's not coming.

So claim Warped is everything paintball shouldn't be. What exactly are you saying?

That alcohol in tournaments, the way it's been since I can remember, isn't the way paintball should be. Ok I'll turn a blind eye to our history and go your path.

Tattoos shouldn't be condoned. Honestly I don't care... but someone better tell Robbo. And about half the TWiBs that pay the NPPL salaries who think they're Junior BA's and a tat will help them along.

Girlies don't belong... Okie dokie. Just... get rid of the Smart Parts catalogs and posters, get rid of Bon Bon shouldn't pose for JT or even answer the phones for fear that the store guy ordering might get a stiffy.

And midgets... well... Midgets are freakin COOL MAN! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU???

In the end, do I agree with Ed? No. I think it was a poor move. hehe.... sorry couldn't help it. But do I want to Demonize him for it (did it again)? Hardly. It's a decision he has to make, whether he will sell product at the Cup. He probably would have sold just as much, midgets or not. But this is his statement about life. Let him live with it, good or bad.

[billmi]

Some thoughts to some of the general reactions....

PSP never said tatoos, midgets, or girls in the booths were unacceptable.

PSP never said anything Warped Sportz was planning was lewd.

PSP announced a limitation they now face due to their insurance provider (no alcohol on site) and said that lewd behavior would not be allowed.

The Warped Sportz press release did not say they consulted with PSP to see if what they had planned was acceptable... It may well have been acceptable.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[billmi]

Originally posted by halB
i also think in the nppl no normal player can join, its an elitest organization.

Why not? It's "normal" players that play in the NPPL tournaments. All you need to officially join the NPPL is to plunk down your $25 annual membership fee. You don't even have to actually play in a tournament to join.

i dont know bout the psp, but im guessing no normal player can up and join it.

No, they can't. PSP is a privately owned company that produces paintball tournaments. You can no more "join" the PSP than you can join Airgun Designs, General Motors, or Microsoft (you could buy part ownership, or be hired as an employee, but you don't join as you would a league).

so why dont we just form our own damn organization, have that host the tournies, and let the PLAYERS decide whats best for the sport, not a bunch of people who stand to make money from everything.

That's what a bunch of players said in the early 1990s when they were fed up with the way Jim Lively was running tournaments. So they formed a non-profit organization, called the NPPL where the players make the rules, and promoters produce the events, having to comply with those player's rules in order to be considered an "NPPL event."

You know the problem with that? Players don't care. They stopped voting in the league elections, they stopped caring at all, until the league corporation was dissolved by the state of New York for failing to pay its incorporation taxes.

Then the promoters were running tournaments and still using the league name. Last year, Chuck Hendsch formed a new corporation - one which he owns, but plans to turn over into a non-profit corp owned by the teams, like the original NPPL. The problem with that? The player's don't care. As long as they get to go to a tournament, they can't be bothered to give a rip about the league.

Sure, they will come into internet forums and whine about how PSP is taking their money and not giving them enough in return, or what they want in return. They'll tell their friends at the field how much it sucks. But will they even bother to take part in the league leadership to mandate the changes they're whining about? No.

In order for the league to become player owned and run again, the teams need to meet and vote, and select officers.

The NPPL held a meeting at the Chicago Open. Know how many team captains bothered to show up? Four. A number I asked about either said they were out drinking with their team and other teams they don't normally get to hang out with, or they were walking fields.

Out of the whole league, four team captains cared.

So the NPPL rescheduled the meeting for the Atlantic City tournament. Know how many showed up? One novice team captain.

Is the NPPL leadership "dodgy" or "shady" in respect to not representing the goals and desires of the league members. You might say that, or you might say that they're representing what they guess to be what the members want since the members can't be bothered to tell them.

So that's the answer to the question of why "we the PLAYERS" don't form an organization - "We the PLAYERS" either don't want to or are just too lazy to do it.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[shartley]