Avalanche Allegedly Caught Cheating and Thrown out of WC

[banzaimf]

I just made a a sig pic for me :-)

[OutRage86]

NOt good Enough for me!

All sounds too fishy for avalanche not knowing that they were cheating.I know a few guys who know avalnche personally and they said that Rocky taught them how to dive into a bunker off the break if and if they cover there face how to wipe it wihtout getting caught.. So in other words when you run off the break cover your face wiht your hands and if you get hit you get hit in the hand as you dive wipe it on the ground!!!!!!!! If you ask me this is what i heard.. And i know these guys cheat that i play with . ANd they learned directly from some one!

[aaron_mag]

Question from someone uninformed in big tournament ball.

Is this what is wrong with paintball or what is wrong with one team? There are comments on paintball.com that "wiping is part of the game....everyone does it." Is this true at big tournaments? I hope not. That would be pathetic.

If not I'd say that there is at worst one team that was willing to cheat to win and at best one individual. Ban him for awhile and move on.

[Cliffio]

yes, some pros do cheat, if you ever watch some movies you will see it happen if you watch closly. ive seen a few players get hit in the hand off the break (back players) so as they continue to their bunkers they reach down for their squeegy, and all the sudden the hand hit is gone


Cliff

[Brian68mag]

Wow.
That is rediculous.
I personally wouldnt ban the team, just Salm.
I couldnt imagine the team allowing this to happen.
This wont help paintball though.

[aaron_mag]

Well we are not focused with what is really important with this issue. The real issue is what marker did he use to shoot from the forest? Did he stick with the sponsored Angel or did he use a Cocker because they shoot further and more accurately. I mean he really couldn't spray and pray from the forest could he? Well he probably did start praying once GZ started chasing him through the woods. Looks like his prayers went unanswered....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

[lopxtc]

According to I believe FoN he was using a Matrix ..


Aaron

[AGD]

Update,

I talked to Bill Cookston tonight and got more details from the horses mouth.

The GZ players in the dead box saw paint coming from the woods and then saw blond hair. One of them (a New York fireman) gave chase, suposedly for some great distance. Salm was reported to have shot back at him during the chase in his effort to escape. Salm lept into a swamp where he was found blubbering like a little kid.

The fireman grabed him and brought him back to the field where Bill Cookston was waiting. He only told Bill two things, "the team didn't know about it" and "please don't walk me out through the cameras". Bill felt that it could get really out of hand if the GZ players got to him so he let him go and kept his gun.

Since then it was rumored that WDP dropped their sponsorship and JT is still thinking about it.

Needless to say this has created a tidal wave through the industry and the players. For me personally there were other forms of cheating in this tournament that I felt were just as bad but done with such sophistication that when people heard about it they just dismissed it.

I think its time that we decide if we want honor in our sport or not. We need to decide what winning is worth and what we are going to teach the players of the future. I find it interesting that the rules call it a foul if you wipe a hit but when its done against you it's suddenly "cheating". When your own players wipe "it's how you play the game".

Cheating of all types is rampant in our game. I am not surprised at all that it gets taken to new levels like this. Unless we do something to change the attitudes and priorities of the average paintball player you can never expect this game to be called a "sport".

There is a difference between a street fight and a boxing match. One gets on TV the other doesn't. One has rules that make it fair the other doesn't. Think about which one tournament paintball is like.....

AGD

[Ov3rmind]

LOL, I couldn't help it!

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well..I don't know how else to say this...but with the total lack of professionalism at the top levels of our sport I expected something like this to happen eventually.

[Jacob]

Originally posted by AGD

Since then it was rumored that WDP dropped their sponsorship

If this is true I must give kudos to WDP. I was starting to get the impression that paintball companies were unwilling to show a little backbone and do something about the cheating problem. I never thought I would say this, but hopefully other companies will follow WDP's example. If I had a whole bunch of extra money I would go and by an Angel just to show my appreciation (sorry Tom, but don't worry I wouldn't actually shoot it, just use it to hold an extra nitro tank

Of course all that is dependent on whether or not the rumor if true.

[Knackers]

BAN him for life!!!
Ban his team just incase they knew about it!
this game has no room for people that will go to that extent to win!
You cant tell me his team knew nothing about it, wouldnt you wonder if the opposition suddenly started walking off the feild when no one was shooting at them???
ALL I can say is good riddence to BAD rubbish!!

[dansim]

too bad they dont rely on wdp for anything but money since they get there angels from ed and rockys company...does this mean we are gonna see the dark impulse? was only jeremys sponsorship pulled or the teams?

[Timmee]

This is my thinking (please read the whole post before you start flaming me).

I don't think the NPPL needs to ban Jeremy Salm. Not even for a single game. His career as a pro is over. No pro team will want him on their team, for fear of being associated with him. Nobody will want to sponsor him, as most of the target demographic will not want to buy the product just because he endorses it (he won't be of any effect on sales, IMO). His name isn't any good in the paintball community, so why bother acknowledging him with a ban.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by AGD


Needless to say this has created a tidal wave through the industry and the players. For me personally there were other forms of cheating in this tournament that I felt were just as bad but done with such sophistication that when people heard about it they just dismissed it.

I think its time that we decide if we want honor in our sport or not. We need to decide what winning is worth and what we are going to teach the players of the future. I find it interesting that the rules call it a foul if you wipe a hit but when its done against you it's suddenly "cheating". When your own players wipe "it's how you play the game".

Cheating of all types is rampant in our game. I am not surprised at all that it gets taken to new levels like this. Unless we do something to change the attitudes and priorities of the average paintball player you can never expect this game to be called a "sport".

There is a difference between a street fight and a boxing match. One gets on TV the other doesn't. One has rules that make it fair the other doesn't. Think about which one tournament paintball is like.....

AGD

Is this why AGD doesn't sponsor many (if any) pro teams or leagues? Personally, I agree with you. IMO, paintball is meant to be fun, not win at all costs. I think tourney ball needs professional refs, and another way to police the way teams play. Maybe then we'll see more paintball on tv.