Why does everyone say Cockers shoot futher.

[hostage]

Okay if you have two identical objects same mass and same size. You then accelerate it up to 300fps. So both are going the same fps Mass x Acceleration = Momintum. They have the same momintum too. I am curious why people would say the cocker shoot futher? If all varibles were identical except that marker, and the barrels were the same too how would it go futher? I haven't taken Phsyics in 3 years.
-Hostage

[shartley]

nahhh.... I will not say it no matter how much you all pay me......

[oldsoldier]

say it...SAY IT!!!!!

[personman]

Elves?

[magman007]

ok, any ways, this is prolly the most discussed thing on ao...

[TippmannMan]

an idea

ok my take on this subject. you mentioned objects having the same mass and size and shooting the same FPS. first of all there is more to the gun than simply adjusting the FPS. and lets not forget air resistance and friction which also have a place in this little debate :P. next you add the comment what if the everything were the same except the gun. which is basically saying what if the two guns being compared were the same gun with a different body. and that question is obvious in saying that both guns would shoot the same. just leave the question as "why do people say the autococker shoots farther" :) and yes im also curious about this i seem to think range and accuracy when i think of autocockers

[dansim]

[shartley]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52805

That is just one of the latest threads (of MANY) dealing with this topic. I hope this helps.. but somehow I don't think it will since most of the times I provide these links, folks ignore them and still post their ideas.... although it has all been discussed before.

(HeeHee... I STILL didn't say it. )

[hostage]

it is closed bolt, but still, if we take all the enviromental varibles are the same except the makers themselves then they should have the same distance since the velocity is messured when it comes out of the barrel.
-Doron

[hostage]

hmm...Well i did a search and found nothing on this subject...I think I will get with some friends 3 mags 3 cockers and 3 other random guns, I will use the 3 random guns as controls and compair the mags and cockers to them. If this works then it should prove my theory that they should all shoot the same given the same barrels and velocity and paint.
-Hostage

[Ov3rmind]

I'm so sick of these threads.

It doesn't have longer range, I know, I own one!

[shartley]

Originally posted by hostage
hmm...Well i did a search and found nothing on this subject...I think I will get with some friends 3 mags 3 cockers and 3 other random guns, I will use the 3 random guns as controls and compair the mags and cockers to them. If this works then it should prove my theory that they should all shoot the same given the same barrels and velocity and paint.
-Hostage

What? LOL Look a few posts up... and that was taken from MANY threads on the subject.

[AcemanPB]

I myself have tested this countless times, and at first it actually does look like the autococker's balls go further, but that is just some sort of an optical illusion (i think because the autococker is a taller gun or something i'm not to sure about optical illusion and such)

[dcmander]

It's not really that they shoot farther, its that they shoot straighter at greater distances...

I don't believe it.. I think the main reason people think that is when ppl shoot mags they usually go crazy. When people shoot cockers, they don't want to break them so they shoot slow and careful and aim up their shots and hit more poeople. No..actually I think the autococker is just bigger and aims up better for ppl. They also aren't as fast and are in some cases heavier, so people will shoot them with more accuracy.

The closes bolt things..Cocker owners say that the ball doesn't bobble around before its fired w/ close bolt. They say with an open bolt, as the ball forces forward it spins around, therefore creating the "misaccuracy" (<= word? )

That's what they (pretty much) say to me anway... :)

[Ultimator]

Originally posted by dcmander
It's not really that they shoot farther, its that they shoot straighter at greater distances...

Oh no! it doesn't shoot farther! It just shoots greater distances! Haha ... sorry I couldn't help it. I told myself I wouldn't comment on the debate because I've seen this soooo many times. The same argument over and over and over ...