Why does everyone say Cockers shoot futher.

[RamboPreacher]

Re: Why does everyone say Cockers shoot futher.

Originally posted by hostage
[clip]Why does everyone say Cockers shoot futher.

"everyone" doesn't.

[bofh]

Originally posted by Cliffio
my 18" boomstick

I want an 18' boomstick, then my range would increase

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[SlartyBartFast]

Once apaintball leaves the barrel, the gun has nothing to do with how far it goes.

If it leaves a slingshot, and automag, a cocker, a stingray, or an AO member filled with too many beans , it will travel the exact same distance as long as it is travelling exactly the same speed.

Paint to barrel match, consistency/quality of the paint, and consistency of the marker will all play a role as to whether the marker (or whatever ) will send the ball the same distance and hit the same target everytime.

I challenge any of the naysayers to come up with just one factor related to the gun that can affect the paintball once it is airborn and chrono'd at 300fps.

PS: Shartley, Nice try but you're tilting at windmills. These threads will never die . But we've got to try an educate the masses. Unfortunately, as they say, there's a sucker born every minute.

[shartley]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
PS: Shartley, Nice try but you're tilting at windmills. These threads will never die . But we've got to try an educate the masses. Unfortunately, as they say, there's a sucker born every minute.

LOL Thanks. But I am sure you noticed I did not put much effort into it.....

[Paintchucker]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Once apaintball leaves the barrel, the gun has nothing to do with how far it goes.

I challenge any of the naysayers to come up with just one factor related to the gun that can affect the paintball once it is airborn and chrono'd at 300fps.

How about the spin on the ball imparted by the barrel???

[covadsucks]

Can't we all just get along? Mags shoot just as far as Cockers, with the same accuracy and just as slow/fast what have you. It's not the plane, it's the pilot.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Paintchucker

How about the spin on the ball imparted by the barrel???

Yes, if you are using a Flatline barrel or A Z-body Mag with an oversized barrel there will be underspin on the ball. These two two setups should shoot further.

While I haven't seen testing or used one myself, I have heard that all you really gain is more long distance bounces using these systems.

[BTAutoMag]

we need to have a controlled experiment with a clamp that will hold 4 guns at the same angle, an indoor field (no wind), a cocker, a mag, an angel, a really REALLY cheap gun with adjustable velocity, a chrono to measure exactly how fast each gun is shooting, and a REALLY long tape measure.

[Scootyd]

Your right about long range bounces, I like to taunt flatines and just keep hard surfaces hid. I had this discussion at the local shop just last Sunday. The two cocker fans ended up agreeing that if you regulated the air input to a spyder the way you do a cocker then they would be accurate to. This left the mag / cocker issue dead as they are both accuratly regulated markers.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Air-powered.com

I am a mod over at air-powered.com an autococker internet resource hence the AIR.

The general concensus basicly revolves around a few things. What was the primary air source back in the early days? CO2, and we know that given between a mag and cocker the cocker will run better off straight CO2. Consistency. Now, to shoot a cocker you have this annoying problem of balls rolling out the barrel, a pain. In the old days before barrel to paint match became a mantra, you had to fit the balls to the cocker, because if you didn't they would roll out. So there is the second function, whereas mags could drop in any old paint and shoot well. Third, a slightly tuned cocker as less recoil than a mag, leading to less jumpiness.

Az

[SlartyBartFast]

AzrealDarkmoonZ,

The really sad thing is that I was arguing against these myths back in the late 80's on rec.sport.paintball. People just love hype!

Remember guys and gals: Don't believe everything the salesperson says. Back when SP came out with their "Externally Spiral Rifled Barrels" (ie: ported) they were claiming that the spiral holes spun the PB like rifling in a firearm barrel causing the ball to have greater precision and accuracy. What a laugh.

Sad thing is people will still believe it.

[InfinatyBPS]

Cockers pwnz
Mags= R0><0R3D

[Ov3rmind]

Actually, what AzrealDarkmoonZ said makes perfect sense. It's just that some of you are so anti Cocker, that you didn't even realize what he posted. he didn't say the Cocker is more accurate or shoots further. Basically what he WAS saying, was that due to several factors, back in the older days Cockers ran better off Co2 and required a good paint/barrel match to not have balls roll out. This caused the Cocker to operate under more favorable conditions. However, back then, the Mag could still have a mismatched paint/barrel (without paint roll out, due to ball detents), and it ran a little worse off of Co2. Therefore, you had more Mag users running Mags off of less favorable conditions. Under todays circumstances though (most everyone runs their Mags and Cockers off of N2, and we know the accuracy benefits of a good paint/barrel match), they are both going to shoot just as accurately and with just as much range.

Both sides of the argument always seem to lack basic knowledge of either gun.

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[MinimagRockin']

Thats weird that you mention that meat. Just the other day I was relating to my friend that it might be possible (if you had a lot of gas) to eject paintballs from your nostril...strane I thought I was the only one weird enough to come up with that...PROPS.