chris lasoya

[i-luv-my-rt]

Originally posted by TRIAD
But if you wipe, and the ref doesn't see it, because you're REALLY good at it, then they can't pull you can they? You guys are digging your own graves with this argument. Hope you brought a ladder to get out.

What if a ref across the field see's the hit on you going in, they can definitley pull you if the hit isnt there anymore. I hope you brought an NPPL rulebook because obviously you dont much about tourney play.

[Spaceman613]

Originally posted by giblit
dude no one plays on the honor system. i sure the hell dont i keep playing till the ref pulls me thats the way most players play if youve noticed.

Then I guess I should change my name to "NO ONE"

If I know ive been hit, I call myself out. I do not try to hide anything. Maybe thats just because I know its a GAME!

Id love to ref you. If I see you playing on with an obvious hit, you get a few teammates pulled. One of the RULES that needs to be enforced.

[FreshmanBob]

Ok, let me explain something

This is how paintball works, if you get hit by a ball and it breaks on you, your out. No refs need to be involved.

That's the whole idea behind paintball guys...


Unfortunately people see another team cheat, and do well, then do it themselves. They also see the pros do it, which hammers it in even more. Even if everyone i play against wipes away and all the refs are blind and deaf I will not cheat, because i have morals and i have testicular fortitude (aka balls).

What we need are more pro teams like the russian legion and more local tourney teams like the ones at PBX to atleast try setting a standerd by playing fairly. If you don't try, it will never end.

[i-luv-my-rt]

Originally posted by giblit
dude no one plays on the honor system. i sure the hell dont i keep playing till the ref pulls me thats the way most players play if youve noticed.

Good keep playing like that as long as you dont mind having the rest of your team pulled. Playing on with an obvious hit is an immediate one for one. The new rule is anywhere where the player can feel the hit is obvious. You would never get away with it at a real tournament.

[i-luv-my-rt]

HAHA yea russian legion are a good example. They do very well for being a clean playing team. But like at Tolouse it shows that the US Pro teams had alot on them so you never know.

[TRIAD]

Originally posted by i-luv-my-rt


What if a ref across the field see's the hit on you going in, they can definitley pull you if the hit isnt there anymore. I hope you brought an NPPL rulebook because obviously you dont much about tourney play.

I said if NO ref sees you. They can't call you if you wipe it, like if you're hit on the break on the stomach and immediately slide, then you KNEW you were out, and have the welts to prove it, but no ref saw it. I know if a ref SEES it you're out, I don't live in a cave. However, if you wipe it without them seeing it, and they don't see you wipe, you're good as clean.

If they do see it and you wipe, then that's another story.

[shartley]

Originally posted by i-luv-my-rt
Shartley- Well i guess me and you are different types of people then. I'm not gonna "hate" or flame somebody just because they are different than me. I know of many Winston Cup racers thaty cheat but it's the competition part in these sports that keeps me watching. You are very right about the examples these "role models" should set but would anybody idolize a clean playing loser, I'd give him props for playing clean but people wouldnt make videos and posters of those people. What i meant by ignorant is the fact that the forum users are only talking about Chris, when there are many more and worse players out there.(*Like usual Shartley I will have no hard feelings towards you in this discussion, I enjoy reading and debating the points being put forward. -plus the more I debate with you the more I learn how to do it better)

[i-luv-my-rt]

I'm speechless

[1stdeadeye]

Wrong!

Originally posted by giblit
dude no one plays on the honor system. i sure the hell dont i keep playing till the ref pulls me thats the way most players play if youve noticed.

That is what seperates the men from the boys! If you get hit, Take it like a man, walk off! Acting like a spoiled brat and wiping is inexcusable.

When I played last two weeks ago, I "taught" a wiper a lesson. I kept hitting him until he cried!

Play me and wipe. You may beat me a number of times as I play fair, but when I get my shots, prepare to be hurt! A good cry might make a man out of you yet!

[giblit]

ive been playing tournaments for 2 years and in a tournament you will do anything to win (most players)im not talking about all out cheating. i play pan am rules i dont know the difference i dont know a hole lot about nppl but what he probably does is keep playing till the ref pulls him i do the same unless its a blatent hit on my head/mask. i rarely see people call themselves out in a tournament its very rare.

[i-luv-my-rt]

I am kinda forced to call myself out or at least have the refs make sure it broke on me in the NPPL tournaments, if you have an obvious hit on you and pull the trigger it is a one for one. So either I call myself out when i know it broke or take the risk of a one for one. So your rules may be different but thats how NPPL is.

[oldsoldier]

Well, I think another problem is when they get pulled for pplaying on, or something like that. Then they get all upset. you know what? I dont care. Cheat. If you are that insecure about your game, go ahead. But, if I call you on it, and you get upset, who's problem is it? Mine? You're gonna yell at me for catching you cheating? I really think that this sport needs to get out of the pubescent years. There gets to be too much anger. the only way we are ever gonna progress is through better reffing and honest players. I really like the Russian Legion. Those guys play with class. If you get hit, you're done. Not "if the ref didnt see it, it doesnt count". There is something to be said for honor and integrity. Apparently, some of the younger folks in our sport cant see beyond the "winning at all cost" attitude. This is unfortunate. Chris may be a great player. But, his attitude, from what I read and see, sucks. i dont know him, and all the talk about his threats are hearsay. He is the one who is ultimately responsible for himself.
As far as playing on the honor system; obviously, we dont. Hence rules . But, if you get hit ANYWHERE ON YOUR CLOTHING, and play on, that is a 1-4-1. Anywhere on your clothing is considered obvious. So, if I were reffing, I saw you do it, you're out, and your buddy in the 50. All the tourneys I've played, most people were honest. Hell, the last one it was the refs being dishonest! So what if you didnt get caught the first time? I, or another ref, will catch you eventually. Do it a couple times? All done for the day. If you have to cheat to win, it isnt worth it.
One of my favorite sayings is from a company that makes tactical gear for spec ops; Honor. A way of life.
I wholeheartedly agree with that saying. Live your life by it, and you wont go wrong.

[Blennidae]

To the guys who "play until the refs pull you":

Hypothetical situation:
You know you were hit, and don't call yourself out. Your team goes on to win the game. Do you feel as good about winning that game, or one where it was a "clean" win?

Just curious.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by Shirow
Sometimes what happens?? That you need to wipe?



'Get some skill' in reference to getting 'beaten' by a cheater is probably the lamest and stupidest thing that has been posted here thus far.

Hey why dont you go play a pro team that cheats their butts off if you can shoot 4 of them off the field you should think highly of yourself, playing against cheaters is good for you especially if they are pro...

And when I said everybody cheats I forgot that Like .2 percent of this board plays anything outside of bushball or small tournaments......

The whole grandmother attitude of this message board is starting to bother than me....None of you have the right to criticize chris, you are nothing compared to him, your opinion does not matter, and he will continue to shoot people left and right weather you think hes a poopy head or a cheater, end of story.

Let the flames begin!

[badfish314]

wipers belong on windshields

It's like this, if you get hit be a man and call yourself out or call for a paintcheck. If your hit and don't leave the guy or girl who shot you is gonna get pissed. If it was me, I'd dump a case on you so you had no choice but to leave. If you shot me out after you were marked...then we'd have major problems. Go to a novice tourny and watch how clean they play. Unless there are sandbaggers there it is paintball at it's finest. No they don't play the best or shoot the best markers but they play the game like it's supposed to be played....honestly. Sponsors need to stand up and refuse to equip and give cash to all these "pro" teams who do nothing but diminish the quality of the game. If I sponsored a team that wiped or shot people from the woods I would dump them all in a heartbeat. If the
"pro" player get's shot then wipes and plays on what did he learn? That wiping works,cheating can win you stuff, and reffs are stupid. What he should have done is go back and analize what he/she did wrong and work on it for the next time. That is the only way to get better.Practice on skills not on wiping. Any newb who learns how to wipe effectively could be a pro within a year. If everyone learned how to cheat as well as the "pro's" , the honest guys would be the only ones with real skills. Keep it true, it's only a game. If your not honest in a game (any game for that matter) what kind of person are you?



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