chris lasoya

[shartley]

Originally posted by blnk162
The whole grandmother attitude of this message board is starting to bother than me....None of you have the right to criticize chris, you are nothing compared to him, your opinion does not matter, and he will continue to shoot people left and right weather you think hes a poopy head or a cheater, end of story.

[oldsoldier]

Originally posted by blnk162


Hey why dont you go play a pro team that cheats their butts off if you can shoot 4 of them off the field you should think highly of yourself, playing against cheaters is good for you especially if they are pro...

And when I said everybody cheats I forgot that Like .2 percent of this board plays anything outside of bushball or small tournaments......


Let the flames begin!

Really? .2% huh? Look again bud. And, my opinion DOES count. Go back and read the title of the thread. Defend him all you want. Personally, if you gotta cheat to win, you suck. Doesnt make you "clever" or "cool". But hey, what do I know. My opinion doesnt count here, and in all likelyhood I play woodsball, according to you, whose opinion, using your logic, is apparently the only one that counts on this board.

[ogre55]

I almost feel dirty responding to this post, but here goes.

Originally posted by blnk162
[B]

Hey why dont you go play a pro team that cheats their butts off if you can shoot 4 of them off the field you should think highly of yourself, playing against cheaters is good for you especially if they are pro...

How do you figure that playing against cheaters is good for you? Can you illuminate this point for me a little further because I just don't get it. Except for raising my ire and feeling the need to use a boot for a purpose that it was not intended, I see no percentage in playing with or against cheaters.

Originally posted by blnk162
And when I said everybody cheats I forgot that Like .2 percent of this board plays anything outside of bushball or small tournaments......

Check your stats bud. From what I understand many of the prominent people on this board are NPPL players as well as manufacturers of paintball gear. Considering that the total membership is over 7000 at this point, I don't know the percentages, but I do know that I have run across quite a few people on this board who have and do play in many of the pro divisions in the NPPL, Pan/Am or some of the other tournament series.

But even if you are right. If none of the people on this board have ever played any tournament, I can garuantee you that considering how many people are represented, this board consititutes a large cross-section of the paintball playing public. And guess what fanboy, that is who buys this stuff. The reason that people like your idol play play tournaments is to promote the products that we buy.

Which, I am sad to say, may be the reason that people like LaSoya are allowed to continue to play as they do. Because we, the regular paintball consumers, do not let the manufacturers know that the players they sponser play in such a way as to make their products look bad.

Originally posted by blnk162
The whole grandmother attitude of this message board is starting to bother than me....None of you have the right to criticize chris, you are nothing compared to him, your opinion does not matter, and he will continue to shoot people left and right weather you think hes a poopy head or a cheater, end of story.

Ah, but again you are wrong, as I said above since it is us who buy the products, are opinions do matter. And I garauntee to you that within 5 years some idiot "Pro" player is going to pull a stunt so heinous, it will make Jeremy Salm's little performance at WC look like small potatoes. It has become deathly apparent that the sponsers will do nothing to curb the way their players act on and off the field until someone does something truly ridiculous.

As for our "right to critisize"...'nuf said.

Ogre

[blnk162]

Originally posted by ogre55
I almost feel dirty responding to this post, but here goes.



How do you figure that playing against cheaters is good for you? Can you illuminate this point for me a little further because I just don't get it. Except for raising my ire and feeling the need to use a boot for a purpose that it was not intended, I see no percentage in playing with or against cheaters.




Check your stats bud. From what I understand many of the prominent people on this board are NPPL players as well as manufacturers of paintball gear. Considering that the total membership is over 7000 at this point, I don't know the percentages, but I do know that I have run across quite a few people on this board who have and do play in many of the pro divisions in the NPPL, Pan/Am or some of the other tournament series.

But even if you are right. If none of the people on this board have ever played any tournament, I can garuantee you that considering how many people are represented, this board consititutes a large cross-section of the paintball playing public. And guess what fanboy, that is who buys this stuff. The reason that people like your idol play play tournaments is to promote the products that we buy.

Which, I am sad to say, may be the reason that people like LaSoya are allowed to continue to play as they do. Because we, the regular paintball consumers, do not let the manufacturers know that the players they sponser play in such a way as to make their products look bad.



Ah, but again you are wrong, as I said above since it is us who buy the products, are opinions do matter. And I garauntee to you that within 5 years some idiot "Pro" player is going to pull a stunt so heinous, it will make Jeremy Salm's little performance at WC look like small potatoes. It has become deathly apparent that the sponsers will do nothing to curb the way their players act on and off the field until someone does something truly ridiculous.

As for our "right to critisize"...'nuf said.

Ogre

Play against any pro team that cheats and you will get better....You play against better competition you get better, If you can play good against cheaters, Imagine what you can do in a tournament with refs all over the field?

And about Jeremy Salm, If you really believe he acted on his own doing without any of the team having any knowledge than you obviously don't understand the politics in this sport.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by blnk162
[B]

Play against any pro team that cheats and you will get better....You play against better competition you get better, If you can play good against cheaters, Imagine what you can do in a tournament with refs all over the field?

I have played with and against several pro teams and players, including some of the gentleman from GZ and the NY Dogs. I do beleive that the experience improved my game. However, I also did not see any cheating of their part. The only thing I can learn from playing with the kind of "pro players" that you refer to would be how to cheat and that is knowledge I do not want or need. I will stick with improving those old fashioned skills that have gotten through. You remember, sticking close to bunkers, shooting accurately, et. al.

And about Jeremy Salm, If you really believe he acted on his own doing without any of the team having any knowledge than you obviously don't understand the politics in this sport.

Did I say that? I hope he was alone in that incident and as long as there is no solid proof to the contrary I can live in my own little reality and with my hope/belief that he was alone.

As for consential reality...well lets look at the circumstancial evidence. After the incident at Cup, Avalanche let go of a lot of old time players, including LaSoya. The official statement as to why the "restructuring" occured was vague, to say the least. Now I know that this may be guilt by association, which would not stand up in court, but we are not in court, are we. Thus, we come to the unenviable conclusion that mayhap, some of the other members of Avalanche may have had an inkling as to what was going on.

Ya think?

But that also leads us to *gasp* another possibility, that the subject of your worship and adoration may have had some knowledge or perhaps even a hand in that dispicible incident.

Now you seem to hint at the fact that you also beleive the former version of the facts, rather than the latter. So what does that make you???

'nuf said.

I just hope, and this time seriously and without any sarcasm, that Poorman really had no hand in or knowldge of this until after it happened, because if it ever got out that an owner/sponser had a hand in something this egregious, we, as a sport, will be the ones top take the hit.

Ogre

[Bront]

Originally posted by blnk162
Play against any pro team that cheats and you will get better....You play against better competition you get better, If you can play good against cheaters, Imagine what you can do in a tournament with refs all over the field?

So, if I am following this logic correctly, Pro teams that cheat are better? Thats just plain ignorant. Sure, there are people who cheat out there, and it would be ignorant of me to say otherwise. But ability to play the game means that they are good players who can beat you by playing with in the rules of the game. It takes no tallent to cheat, as anyone can do it. It takes tallent to beat team after team.

Let me ask you this. Would you rather be beaten by a team that plays honestly and by the book, or would you rather loose because the people you played wiped, shot from the dead box, coached from the side, and cheated in any other ways posible, and shouldn't have won?

[845]

I don't know if I read it here or on PBC but someone said what Jeremy Salm did was comparable to shooting from the dead box or wiping. I think in no way do the two compare. Shooting from the dead box is done in the heat of the moment (I am not condoning it).The same goes for wiping and playing on. What Salm did was planned it wasn't something he decided to do on the spot, in the middle of the game.

Lasoya might be a butthole on the field, but off the field he could be a nice guy. I cant really say because I never had a real conversation with him. I know from experiences in hockey and paintball that when people become competitive they become a whole lot more unlikable (especially if they are on the opposing team). Off the ice/rink/field they can be easy going people and extremely friendly. I know when I play paintball and a ref makes a call that I think is bad I will probably say something during or after the game. Off the field I barely talk as some of you know.

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[dcmander]

Is there any video footage of this incident? I think it would be real funny to watch Laysoya get chased!!?

[Ultimator]

What the ... almost everyone who has replied has said that cheaters cheat to win and associating cheaters with being awesome super good players that never lose.

Uhh ... *NEWS FLASH* Avalanche (aka Suckylanche) has been doing horrible for the last few years. Just goes to show you, you get what you deserve.

[blnk162]

Originally posted by Bront
So, if I am following this logic correctly, Pro teams that cheat are better? Thats just plain ignorant. Sure, there are people who cheat out there, and it would be ignorant of me to say otherwise. But ability to play the game means that they are good players who can beat you by playing with in the rules of the game. It takes no tallent to cheat, as anyone can do it. It takes tallent to beat team after team.

Let me ask you this. Would you rather be beaten by a team that plays honestly and by the book, or would you rather loose because the people you played wiped, shot from the dead box, coached from the side, and cheated in any other ways posible, and shouldn't have won?

Losing is losing, im not going to make an excuse for losing, I should have played that much better to not lose regardless of the reason

[blnk162]

Originally posted by Ultimator
What the ... almost everyone who has replied has said that cheaters cheat to win and associating cheaters with being awesome super good players that never lose.

Uhh ... *NEWS FLASH* Avalanche (aka Suckylanche) has been doing horrible for the last few years. Just goes to show you, you get what you deserve.

And who are you again? I dont even particularly like avalanche but give credit where it is due, they won 1 event last year, this isnt the year of push where they won 2 event and won the series....they didnt have the best season not making semis twice, but then also smashed into the semis in other events...I really hope your pro buddy...

Maybe you should be on Dynasty, Sc Ironmen, or Aftershock to say that they suck....

[spazzed]

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[1stdeadeye]

Slow down cowpoke!

Hey I don't condone defending cheaters, I posted earlier that I dispise and torture them when I can. But let the defenders speak. First it is quite funny to watch them try and rationalize that cheating is acceptable. Second remember that it is better to be silent and considered a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt! So let them open their mouths!

[TRIAD]

Well put man, well put.

blnk162, it seems you resort to childish, immature name-calling to make an argument. This is accepted as a VERY noticeable way people like to win arguments, by simply ripping the ground out from under you and thus anything further you say has no ground. It is pathetic that you would resort to such a tactic. Your attitude here on the boards is disgusting, and bordering on unacceptable. Personally, you need to learn when to keep your mouth shut, and when you DO open it, how to speak in a respectful, mature manner. Until then, quit posting, and instead read and LEARN.

[giblit]

you mean to tell me you guys just stop imedatly when your hit... even when your going to bunker a guy and you get hit but you dont take that extra step and 1v1 him? i think some people are lying because im guessing a lot of you guys play tournament ball. most likely ive seen some of you play i love to watch tournament ball from novice to open classes but people stay in as long as they can just to go that extra step to try and win the game.