Scenario Players???? Poll

[Slapp]

I've been in 3 scenario games so far and look forward to being in many more. Paint can make for an expensive day if you find yourself in constant spray and pray type firefights but the action far exceeds what you get in an average day of rec ball.

It is fun to get a well organized team or group set up for a specific mission and put your strategies into play over a large area for hours at a time. Ambush tactics are harder to employ on smaller fields or in a tournament and it is always fun to see those guys in Ghillie suits dissappear into the leaf cover (at least until you are ambushed by one).

Scenario's are a great place to check out folks gear and I've seen many folks exchanging markers for awhile to experiment with different set-ups and get the feel of stuff they are interested in buying. I've let plenty of folks shoot my mag if they wanted to at scenarios and have helped tip them in the direction of getting a mag.

Well organized scenario teams make great product promoters too. I'm only guessing here but I'd say the average age of dedicated scenario team members is often older than most tournament teams and that many of them have a very stable membership that changes little from year to year. When people see a tight scenario team all carrying mags clearing out the enemy like chaff during a whole scenario, they are going to want that firepower themselves. Unlike tournaments, where they are on the sidelines watching, in a scenario they can often follow along behind these teams and be part of the action and strategy as it unfolds.

I don't know about being the "future of paintball" but I do believe scenario games are here to stay and will gain more and more popularity over time.

[spawnboy]

Big Production

I'm recapping on that inckling of a chance for that REMATCH! Between Tom Kaye, William Shatner and Mancow....well I looked for the thread on the AO Online Party Logged with Kaye and Shattner chatting about it but it looks like the thread got deleted....big frown on that! They were talking about it and Shattner suggested in the plains of MONTANA! Of course I want this because I live here and probably 45% of the nation still thinks that Montana exists of cowboys and indians. That's just ca-ca talk!!! I have to say that Montana has some of the diverse terrain to offer paintballers, right along with the weather. Anyway, here's that map again. We have senario games occasionaly around here. But I want the Shwaaang of them!

[Blev]

I am a big tourney player but after the Toys For Tots game
3 weeks ago at my feild in Dalton GA I think the big games are super fun and the guys from {24hourgames.com} put on a wonderful game also we raised around $5000 dollars worth of toys for the tft and my self,(bob)theangelguy,scott and a few more team mates got to shoot up a bunch of people
that allways funnn

[Warped Designs]

I have played tourney, rec, scenario and big games.
Each one offers something diffent.
Tourney offer a show case for high tech goodies and a massive addernaline (sp) rush.
Rec brings people in and lets people learn, pratice basic skills, ect.
Scenario add another dimension to the game, more then get teh flag or elminate the other team.
Big game are a wild card. Everyone is welcome to play first timers to us old guys

I agree the scenario and big games are more about having fun then winning (Sam's Big Game if you want to win on saturday be on blue, all the experienced player seem to flood blue j/k).

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[djbea]

Well said, Nippinout

WOW, Nippinout, you did an outstanding job expressing your point-of-view... are you writing articles somewhere? If you've written some, please let me know where I can go and read more of your material...

I've had debates with friends about the fact that they're turned off when they see that paintball is following after the same trend that snowboarding, skateboarding, surfing, to name a few, have experienced; that is, they were a well-kept secret until corporate America got a hold of it and made it massive to the point where the followers who liked it to be a well-kept secret and loved those activities fell out of love with it because of it going "Main-Stream."

But, keep in mind, some of those who helped make it go maintstream are also lovers of the sport, paintball crazed fanatics, and want other people to love it as much as they do.

Think about the other hand, the fact of Supply and Demand... the more people who play, the more prices will come down... For ie, the price of paintballs were once 25 cents/ball... now that more people play paintball, the price has come down significantly. Brass Eagle, as much as people hate them for being the "non-lovers" of the sport (and actually, Lynn Scott, the owner of Brass Eagle has a true love for paintball), have helped to decrease prices all across the board.

Think about when you were introduced to paintball, too. How did you find out about it? Some will say it was because of their strolling through the ole Wal Mart and saw the paintball product on the wall...

And the beauty of it all is that paintball can be played in so many different ways, like in scenario play, tournament play, big game play, perhaps even Olympic style of play...

Nippinout makes very notable points about how the media puts so much attention towards the tournament scene and I agree... more needs to be said about the scenario games that take place, about the Charity Stock Gun tournaments, and the other many good things about paintball that contribute to much of what makes us happy... hopefully, people like Tom Kaye, with your help, pave the way towards a better future for the true paintball enthusiast.

Keep it up, Nippinout, you do a wonderful job at making people think and I LOVE that about you...

Thanks for sharing and for listening.

I look forward to seeing you more often make a "stink" within the paintball industry.

See you soon, I hope.
Respectfully, Bea

[shartley]

[1stdeadeye]

Bingo!

Originally posted by shartley

Bingo!

Hey, only the suits had the guts to do what the NPPL and PSP wouldn't do. According to this months PB2X, Jeremy Salm was banned from all JT sponsored teams for life! This includes all Brass Eagle brands! Brass Eagle may have screwed up ShattnerBall, but they are learning and taking a stand.

[bryceeden]

That is hands-down the best look on paintball I have ever heard. I fully agree.

Bryce Eden-team captain of Dyslexia

[magnj]

I played in this years WRG and it was amazing.

The price was 1-15 $ pre registered I cant remember. So it was crazy low, Skirmish has the best fields and for that price it was irresistable. Paint was 85 a case and i shot a case a day with my mag.

Some bad things were the hype. the advertised 2600+ players, 1600+ showed. The sales promised were not what was there but the playing was still awsome

So many tarets it was crazy. You would get inserted and walk down a bit and there would be a line of players, on your team some a little further back reloading and some up on the front line laying paint for the crazies running into far up front bunkers

At one point I decided to run into the hood with a group of peope( the hood was held by the other team) about 12 of us in this little shack, we eventualy all got hit and when we left we were surrounded and I was personaly shot 20+ times. Paint dripping from everywhere, Out of ai and paint I returned to the car.

The next insertion me and 4 othewr people went on a little flag hunt into the woods and eventualy got behind a 200+ player blue team insertion, we were 30 yard away. Nothing beats watching 200 people that want to kill you from 30 yards.

That was my first experiance and will not be my last. I have also played sup air with some am. teams and I got wrecked and still enjoyed it

I also agree that our sport should not be mainstreamed, Do you realy want what happened to skateboarding happen to ball. A bunch of 11 year olds runuing around, Eventualy kids will get more wreckless, injurys will occur, it will be baned and thats the end.

[MagDog68]

Originally posted by shartley

I love to read these posts. You are right of course, that maintstreaming is not evil - and anything that stays underground will eventually die. But you have to admit that mainstreaming does sort of kill the soul of something.

I am not saying that paintball will lose its appeal or any of us will quit because "too manny people play" - but there is a certain "coolness" to being a part of the ascendency of something.

I equate this to people who started body piercing. They were unique about 5 or 6 years ago. Now probably half of all teenagers have had some sort of body modification. It just isn't distinct anymore. Its just part of a "society of cool."

~Fred

[MagDog68]

Scenario Kicks Butt

And as to the Scenario question - hells yes I will go anywhere to play scenario ball!!!

I had actually made plans to goto the Lords of Worr vs Magmasters game last week, but I got laid off the Friday before hand and I figured it would be an "irresponsible use of my savings" (those are my fiancee's words).

~Fred

PS Anyone have a job opening for an out of work IT Hardware tech???

[magnj]

that is true, It is exciting to be part of an elite group of people who play this sport. I see more and more 10 years olds who play for the first time with their new angel set up that momy bought them. Im not saying I would take an angel my momy bought me but kids are coming into the sprttoo fast. Me and my friends started out renting, then to tippmans then to our current guns which we take pride in upgrading and such. I dont think we need as many kids playing ball as we do have kids skateboarding. Yes all of thoose kids are going o make the sprt much more competitive in years to come but I again dont htink we need more people than now playing in the woods . Eventualy some kids are goin to get crazy and shoot houses, cars, and people. Our sport will get banned localy and we may only be able to play on established fields or not at all.

[shartley]

Originally posted by MagDog68
I love to read these posts. You are right of course, that maintstreaming is not evil - and anything that stays underground will eventually die. But you have to admit that mainstreaming does sort of kill the soul of something.

I am not saying that paintball will lose its appeal or any of us will quit because "too manny people play" - but there is a certain "coolness" to being a part of the ascendency of something.

I equate this to people who started body piercing. They were unique about 5 or 6 years ago. Now probably half of all teenagers have had some sort of body modification. It just isn't distinct anymore. Its just part of a "society of cool."

~Fred

[soaklord]

Society of Cool

Most of the "suits are killing paintball" posts sound more like spoiled brats are ruining the game. Another problem is the reliance on paintball to maintain an identity. "I am a paintball player, which means that I look pain in the eye, am fearless, and do something you know nothing about" Except that everyone knows something about it. Brass Eagle, etc. aren't at fault because unthinking parents provide Angels to 10 year olds that have never fired a shot. If Brass Eagle's were what was being bought for the ten year olds, no one here would be complaining. In fact, everyone would see it as the natural order of things. Place blame where it belongs.

And corporate suits aren't why players are throwing hissy fits on tournament fields. Until there is some accountability in tournaments, no one is going to play as sportsmen. How many teams would still curse like sailors if it cost them points in the standings for unsportsmanlike conduct? Would sponsors be happy about a loss because of f-bombs from their players? And if there were rules about players shooting after they are marked, such as each player you eliminate after a mark has taken place will result in their re-instatement and your team instead losing a player, teams would be far more willing to call themselves out. Unfortunately, this can't start to be the norm until there is a sharp, honest, good ref for every player.

The problems with paintball can't be all the fault of people who market it. The problem HAS to lie with the players, therefore the solution is going to lie with the players. Whether its Rec ball, Scenario/Big Game, or Tournament, start enforcing the rules. If you have a teammate that you know is out, call him out. Don't ignore it for your team and scream at the cheaters on the other team. When someone makes a valid shot, and your out, call yourself out, don't wait for a ref to pull you.

[bryceeden]

Originally posted by magnj
that is true, It is exciting to be part of an elite group of people who play this sport. I see more and more 10 years olds who play for the first time with their new angel set up that momy bought them. Im not saying I would take an angel my momy bought me but kids are coming into the sprttoo fast. Me and my friends started out renting, then to tippmans then to our current guns which we take pride in upgrading and such. I dont think we need as many kids playing ball as we do have kids skateboarding. Yes all of thoose kids are going o make the sprt much more competitive in years to come but I again dont htink we need more people than now playing in the woods . Eventualy some kids are goin to get crazy and shoot houses, cars, and people. Our sport will get banned localy and we may only be able to play on established fields or not at all.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Why are kids going to "get crazy" any more than an adult. I think if a kid shoots a car it is because we as experianced players have failed to show how paintball markers should be treated. I can also promise that if a car is shot it is with a talon or tippmann or somthing like that not an angel. If we don't need kids getting into speedball, but we don't need more woodsballers where are we going to get new players? The kids with angels are no different than kids with tippmanns exept they don't have to learn a new marker every time they improve their game. I think the more young guns we get the better the sport will get. If a kid can get and take care of a mag, cocker, or angel than why shouldn't they? I think we have a duty to get young guns involved in the sport.

Bryce Eden-Team captain of Dyslexia