E-mag vs Angel

[Cliffio]

altho like i was going to say i beliueve that tom has a silver stock ir3, comparing it with a C&C model of any gun doesnt seem wuite fair, perhaps an extreme unmilled with his silver ir3, then it would make sence, or pehaps his blue C&C weighted against a blue C&C ir3

anyways, just what i think

Cliff

[dansim]

is it with the old steel valve or with the new alum? ones bah whats it matter ir3's are availble now

[845]

I dont like the IR3 trigger but I would definately consider taking a stock LCD or LCD over a stock Emag. Emags are a bit heavy. I would probably go with a GZ or a Xtreme over all of those though.

[SHOCKER1050]

if all u guys like emags better someone trade me an angel or mine lol

[Tony Arrivo]

I recently played in a samll local 16 and under tournament and there was a team of 2 Angels and a 'Cocker. Wow, at first I thought they just had really bad chops but after a round I had a whole new view on the gun. These Angels were incredibly inaccurate, they had crazy rates of fire but I didn't see any 2 paintballs go in the same direction. I though maybe it was just the guys that sucked but Ii watched a few more rounds and it was the same horrible accuracy. Maybe these guys were just new to the Angel but I don't think I'd ever buy an Angel.


Just my two cents

[AutoMaggot]

I prefer an Angel trigger over an E-Mags, thats the only reason I would rather shoot an Angel.

Weight isn't an issue, nor is size, and accuracy is only a matter of paint to barrel match, not between how each marker disperses airflow over the ball. Hell, when I dumped the Freak kit onto my Emag, it was very accurate... but so was my Impact LCD...

Its just the fact that I can toy with the trigger just THAT much more on the Angel which gives it my vote.

I did like the magnetic trigger, it was fun to dick around with... but nothing really beat the nice click of an Angel with an Ark in the frame.

I've owned so many guns its not even funny. The only thing I havent owned is a Matrix... but, honestly, im at a point where it doesnt matter what the hell im shooting... as long as it shoots straight and had a decent rate of fire.

Besides, I shoot a cocker now... just because the moving backblock is cool.

[eric]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by drx975
[B]In an Emag vs Angel opinion or debate or whatever you want to call it, WDP made some false claims in the latest issue of PB2X (oct. 2002), and I was extremely shocked at what they claimed, ESPECIALLY with the release of level 10. Here are the 2 things they claimed about the IR3:

1-WDP says "The IR3 has COPS (Crystal Optical Pinch Sensor), this is also patented and is the only non-optical anti-chop system on the market today, COPS has no external components or wiring. We all know this is not true, Level 10 is a completely mechanical anti-chop system also.
This was most likely written before the Level 10 came out, meaning what they said was true, but was later made to be false, its not WDP's fault that the print time was later than level 10 came out.


[b/]2-"The COPS is allows users to crank the ROF up to 20 balls per second....There is nothing out there that shoots as fast as the IR3." WHAT?! They CANT be serious! The emagnum has been shown to shoot 30 balls per second (if a loader could feed that fast), and the emag itself is shown in the level 10 video to shoot 20 balls a second easily. This drives me crazy when companies claim these kinds of things.
Well, does the emagnum have a level 10 in it? they meant that it could shoot 20 BPS with the COPS ON. And does the Level 10 work at 20BPS? It might dry fire that fast, but is there enough time for the bolt to switch into its normal mode?

Id say angel, but I really do LOVE the emag too. If I can ever find a cheapenough one, ill buy it, but I dont have that much money at the moment.

[Butterfingers]

yes why yes it does it works at 25 as a matter of fact...

https://www.butters.org

in fact it does over 20 in both e-and non e-modes and also in the RT with paint see video at 850psi input. Yes the trigger is actually being actuated that fast in RT semi.

I suspect the stronger mainspring and the 1/2 wt bolt make up for the slower phase 1 of the stroke.

[boomerfoxtrot]

I vote for EMAG!

you can get them for about the same price if you REALLY break it down...

basic angel $750-900
basic Emag $800-$900

X-Mag $1300-$1700
IR3 $1100-$1700

now as far as "features" goes... the IR3 has the EMAG beat... but, unlike the IR3 a user can't $#*$ his gun up playing with buttons!!!!!
and besides, WHO NEEDS ALL thoses MODES! you can only use SEMI....

my only fuss with EMAG is the grip on the case....

EMAG is by far better then ANY other gun I have every fired! HANDS DOWN!

Anyone who comes to me and ask... I say the same...
I had them my emag, and say "Try for yourself"

%99.9 of the time... they AGREE!


and... LVL10 WORKS!!!! at 5BPS, or at 13+BPS *I know this from personal use* and there is a video with Tom shooting at 20BPS no CHOPS!

Case CLOSED

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by boomerfoxtrot
1.and besides, WHO NEEDS ALL thoses MODES! you can only use SEMI....

2.EMAG is by far better then ANY other gun I have every fired! HANDS DOWN!

3.Anyone who comes to me and ask... I say the same...
I had them my emag, and say "Try for yourself"
%99.9 of the time... they AGREE!


4.and... LVL10 WORKS!!!! at 5BPS, or at 13+BPS *I know this from personal use* and there is a video with Tom shooting at 20BPS no CHOPS!

5.Case CLOSED

1.if this is true why do people buy boards for the timmys and other guns so they "can" shoot 30+ bps?
-its the same thing, people like the idea of them

2. & 3. i can say the same thing for both my angels, so these statments prove nothing

4. ive seen lx chop in 2 different guns, in 2 different state, by two different people, and i know the difference between barrel chops and bolt chops, so lx is not a perfected way the same can be said for cops

5. not even close chief

[Nitroduck]

There's also a video of a WDP tech shooting 20bps on a IR3.

Case closed eh?

I've used half a dozen angels ,and i've used emags as well. I found em to shoot about the same , but in my opinnion i like the angel more (used both for a day and decided i liked angel more)


Oh yeah i forgot to say........

Stock b2k3s can do 36bps , STOCK , stock board ,stock everything, even stock emags can't do that w/o some board mods , so if you wana go for the fastest gun stock , get a b2k3.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Nitroduck
Stock b2k3s can do 36bps , STOCK , stock board ,stock everything

And what exactly was used to measure the rof? Hopefully you're not relying on the rof calculator on the marker because those are highly exagerated.

[Nitroduck]

Thats what ICD tested it out to do , sorta like what agd did :)

[boomerfoxtrot]

2. & 3. i can say the same thing for both my angels, so these statments prove nothing

no one said it proved anything, I said "I" not you, not everyone.... so how about you read the post word/for word before you come back on a point, that wasn't a point at all!

4. ive seen lx chop in 2 different guns, in 2 different state, by two different people, and i know the difference between barrel chops and bolt chops, so lx is not a perfected way the same can be said for cops

LX is perfected, it's the way the user puts it in... the LX isn't like the eyes, it doesn't stop the gun from shooting, it vents the air so the ball doesn't chop. You have to have the LX set up to do so, *with the paint your using* I use 3shems ... most people use 2-1 ... this cause the LX to vent quicker... I haven't chopped a ball period!
If you want to compare Emags with IR3 in the chop area.. compare the Xmag with them.. LX and Vision... so you get double protection...


Also, I know it means nothing to you... but WE (emag owners) can still play if our batteries go down! HA!

Sorry you own an Angel.. maybe someone will feel sorry for you and give you an Emag!-)


I'm just messen' with ya.. keep it real

[Tony Arrivo]

I LUV MY RT, my advice is get a LvL 10, you seem to have a problem with chopping with your EMag,I think you would notice a huge improvement with one. I think EMags are muuuuch better than Angels. They are less expensive, more durable/reliable, and are just cool. plus if you ever have any problems with your EMag and need to have it repaired AGD is in Chicago, I think the WDP place is in Europe.

Just my opinion though.