Paintball prank spurs crusade

[ogre55]

I have been reading this thread with some interest, however, at this point I have not contributed because all these because others have already made my points, however the following post (and thanks Calvin for giving me a reason to open my big mouth ) requires that I comment.

Originally posted by cledford
I'm not sure about CA, but elsewhere several high profile lawsuits (some even backed by the Klinton regime) failed.

There is currently a bill on the table before the NYC legislature that would allow victims of gun violence to sure gun manufacturers. It seems the madness is spreading.
Thank god for that, but the quest coninues

For the good of our society, I hope it satys that way - or where will it stop? You could sure the Beer manufacturer for the intoxicating product that caused someone to be drunk, the car manufacturer for producing a car that could be operated by someone intoxicated, and it could go on, and on and on...

It could, it has and it will. This sad tale is again from my fair city of NYC. A mother of a pair of fat little...wait let me be PC about this...overwight adolescents has sued McDonalds because she fed them McDonalds food for ever meal, apparenly since they had teeth. Her claim is that she had no idea that McDonalds food was bad for the children.

I do not include this story to debate the merits of of the suit (there are none) but to show that people can and will try to sue for anything. Some (like this woman) because they are either stupid, or get talked into it by some lawyer, which also makes the them stupid. Others sue out of grief and a genuine feeling that they need/want justice.

My point is that people will sue for just about anything. It has been ridiculous. It will get worse. No one is immune.

Damn, and I was really hoped that I would be able to stay out of this thread.

Ogre

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by ogre55


It could, it has and it will. This sad tale is again from my fair city of NYC. A mother of a pair of fat little...wait let me be PC about this...overwight adolescents has sued McDonalds because she fed them McDonalds food for ever meal, apparenly since they had teeth. Her claim is that she had no idea that McDonalds food was bad for the children...

im sorry but if i were the judge id order the baylift to take the woman out back and shoot her...and then wipe the world clean of her genes... especialy the fat little POS that some people call "children" and being the fact i hate the whole PC "care about everyone and thier mothers" crap... its stupid, inbred,dumb, scum like that that put more fuel to my fire about why adding chlorine to the gene pool wouldnt be all that bad an idea... COMON PLAGUE!

I hate all things "PC" and all these people who try to pass the buck... TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS!
if you have to lie about what you did then whats your life worth? NOTHING!

[ogre55]

HoppysMag:

I think everyone can agree that this suit leaves alot to be desired in the whole logic/merit category. Your anger is understood, but I was only stating an outrageous (and unfortunately true) example to illustrate a point. There is no reason to get as upset as you are getting.

Ogre

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by ogre55
HoppysMag:

I think everyone can agree that this suit leaves alot to be desired in the whole logic/merit category. Your anger is understood, but I was only stating an outrageous (and unfortunately true) example to illustrate a point. There is no reason to get as upset as you are getting.

Ogre

im not upset at you, im upset at the fact that our society has declined to the point of this... im really not that upset, im just a really extreme hard liner

[Evil Bob]

Re: stick

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
The Smith and Wesson deal is weak because as long as the company is following all legislation and requirements they should not be responsible. A gun is a tool, unless it goes off by accident due to design malfunction it's the person holding it that is entirely to blame. Everybody needs scapegoats these days, it's lame.

Yes, I agree, the gun is a tool like anything else you can pick up and use in a crime, unfortunately, the socialist republic of california is looking to do away with all firearms, they also declared that the second ammendment does not apply to private citizens, just goes to show you how far gone these people are.

Whether you and I see it as a tool and exercise common sense in the matter or not is not the point here, the point is that some people in high positions who have not one ounce of common sense have arbirarily given a potential victim a priviledge to sue the manufacturer of the tool used in the crime. I am just waiting for it to spread from the firearm industry to the automobile industry. They're doing a find job in removing all forms of responcibility from the individual, including the right of self defense, how long will it be before it affects paintball?

-Evil Bob

[ogre55]

Originally posted by HoppysMag


im not upset at you, im upset at the fact that our society has declined to the point of this... im really not that upset, im just a really extreme hard liner

Didn't think you were upset at me. You just seemed to be getting more riled up than neccassary, and doing so in public is almost never a good idea.

Ogre

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by ogre55


Didn't think you were upset at me. You just seemed to be getting more riled up than neccassary, and doing so in public is almost never a good idea.

Ogre

i express my opinions and views and worry about those things latter... cross that bridge after i burn it kinda thing...

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by raehl
I'm working on it (www.paintball-players.org) and hopefully we'll be up and running soon.

What we need:

1) No sales of paintball markers to people under 18.
2) No sales of paintballs to people under 18.
3) A significant fine to any retailer who does sell either of the above products to players under 18.
4) A moratoreum on the production of full-auto paintball markers, esp. as these are getting less and less expensive.
5) Industry self-regulation, including a standard sheet of information included in every paintball marker and with every case of paint sold. This sheet shoud emphasize the safety equipment requirements and legal consequences of using a paintball marker inappropriately. Kids *ARE* dumb, and you need to tell them that they're committing assault if they shoot someone with a marker because some just won't realize it.



Now, somewhat unrelated question:

Would you pay $40/year to support an organization that lobbied on behalf of paintball players?
- Chris

Ok, this is what I have to say about this. I'm in the 13-17 year old range, and honestly, my parents don't want anything to do with paintball. It's the same thing with most of my friends too. So basically by making those laws, you are saying that I can't play! I dish out $1000+ a year on paintball, and I'm not going to have anyone tell me that I'm not old enough to buy a gun, or I'm not old enough to buy paint. As someone stated earlier, the laws to regulate what people do with paintball markers probably allready exists, just there is no one around to enforce it. Another thing, you asking if we would pay $40/year, the answer for me is no. I spend thousands of dollars allready on equipment and paint, I think if it was that big of an issue, the manufactures make enough money to donate.

Supervision WILL reduce misuse of paintball equipment, and reduction in misuse benefits everyone, especially those under 18 who are inconvenienced slightly by having to involve parents in their purchases (just like you have to involve them if you want to play at a commercial field or in a tournament.) You may only see that having to have your parent buy the marker for you is an annoyance, but that's not my concern - my concern is that if I don't annoy you, you won't be able to even possess, let alone buy, a marker at all. If we don't accept laws that require you to be 18 to purchase paintball equipment, we'll get laws that require you to be 18 to even HAVE paintball equipment.

The choice is not "Be able to buy paintball stuff, or have to have parents buy paintball stuff", the choice is "Have parents able to buy paintball stuff, or not be allowed to have paintball stuff at all."

It won't slightly inconvenience me, it will make me unable to play. You act like you have control of the paintball industry or something. You are going to end up hurting the industry even more. I guarentee you they will have a decline in sales if you pass laws like that. The store that I go to will never follow those rules, and most stores I know of won't accept them either. You don't have to be 18+ to buy a baseball bat, so why have that for a paintball marker. I understand that they are different, but if you go and look it up, baseball bats have caused more deaths then paintball guns, I'm almost 100% sure of that. I'm not saying that those ideas are bad, but what I am saying is that they are bad ideas! Maybe they should have stricter restrictions on buying paintball markers, maybe they should have you get a license, but don't make our parents buy them. Most parents see paintball as a waste of money, and a bad idea allready, but if it will be a pain in the *** to buy paintball equipment, just forget it. Also, if you are responsible enough to drive, you are responsible enough to own a paintball marker, a car is more deadly then a marker, no matter if your parents get you a license or not, they won't be in the car with you everywhere you go. Just let us play our damn sport, **** everything else.

[Jonno06]

Saia is right.Passing such laws will enable teenagers now to be able to play,unless their parents will supply them with markers and paint. For me,and MANY other teens(which make up most of the paintball community),our parents dont really support our paintball lifestyle.

More than half of the people on these boards are teenager,THAT right there should tell you something. KIDS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

I am NOT going to be restricted from paintball just so you more "mature" adults can be the few,the proud,left to be able to play.

These laws will do nothing but increase the problem..


what we NEED,is to find a SOLUTION...not more PROBLEMS.

[cledford]

Originally posted by Jonno06
Saia is right.Passing such laws will enable teenagers now to be able to play,unless their parents will supply them with markers and paint. For me,and MANY other teens(which make up most of the paintball community),our parents dont really support our paintball lifestyle.

More than half of the people on these boards are teenager,THAT right there should tell you something. KIDS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

I am NOT going to be restricted from paintball just so you more "mature" adults can be the few,the proud,left to be able to play.

These laws will do nothing but increase the problem..


what we NEED,is to find a SOLUTION...not more PROBLEMS.

Um, paintball was started by adults and did just fine back then. First, just because it would make it tougher for some to play doesn't move me at all. There are plenty of kids out there who's parents will allow them to do so. Second, I'm not usually one for more laws - but they will not "increase" the problem. They *may* make you're life a little tougher until the age of 18 - but that's to bad. I went through the same thing when I was a kid. The funny thing was back then there wern't any laws - just common sense. My parents had to drive me to the store to buy the gun - why not supervise the purchase?

-Calvin

[cledford]

Originally posted by ogre55

There is currently a bill on the table before the NYC legislature that would allow victims of gun violence to sure gun manufacturers. It seems the madness is spreading.
Thank god for that, but the quest coninues.

Ogre

Ogre, For exactly reasons like these I *would* support tort reform. Then the thought of big business allowing bad products (real ones) to exist and not pulling them (like defective cars) - due to a calculated decision that WITH tort reform the cost of settlement/damages would be less then a recall- scares me back the other way.

I flip-flop back and forth on the matter daily :)

-Calvin

[shartley]

Originally posted by Jonno06
Saia is right.Passing such laws will enable teenagers now to be able to play,unless their parents will supply them with markers and paint. For me,and MANY other teens(which make up most of the paintball community),our parents dont really support our paintball lifestyle.

More than half of the people on these boards are teenager,THAT right there should tell you something. KIDS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

I am NOT going to be restricted from paintball just so you more "mature" adults can be the few,the proud,left to be able to play.

These laws will do nothing but increase the problem..


what we NEED,is to find a SOLUTION...not more PROBLEMS.

[shartley]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
It won't slightly inconvenience me, it will make me unable to play. You act like you have control of the paintball industry or something. You are going to end up hurting the industry even more. I guarentee you they will have a decline in sales if you pass laws like that. The store that I go to will never follow those rules, and most stores I know of won't accept them either.

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
You don't have to be 18+ to buy a baseball bat, so why have that for a paintball marker. I understand that they are different, but if you go and look it up, baseball bats have caused more deaths then paintball guns, I'm almost 100% sure of that.

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
I'm not saying that those ideas are bad, but what I am saying is that they are bad ideas!

You contradict yourself in the SAME sentence! LOL

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
Maybe they should have stricter restrictions on buying paintball markers, maybe they should have you get a license, but don't make our parents buy them. Most parents see paintball as a waste of money, and a bad idea allready, but if it will be a pain in the *** to buy paintball equipment, just forget it. Also, if you are responsible enough to drive, you are responsible enough to own a paintball marker, a car is more deadly then a marker, no matter if your parents get you a license or not, they won't be in the car with you everywhere you go. Just let us play our damn sport, **** everything else.

[Tack]

[Tom Sparkman]

I've been following this discussion and every time I've marshalled my thoughts, I hit refresh and Shartley has posted and covered what I want to say, along with other thoughts above and beyond my little paragraph, that make me say:

"Yeah, what he said." :)

And kids, you can argue till you're blue in the face and most adults won't listen - why, because they've been there and know what's driving you.

A quote: "When I was 17 I thought my Dad was the dumbest person in the world, when I turned 25 I couldn't believe how smart he'd become"

Tom