AGD's military tech - will it make it to Rec play?

[ogre55]

Thanks Calvin:

I guess they are loaded via the drum magazine. One of the prior posts stated a concern that these rounds are made of plastic, and made stated an ecological concern. These look like paintballs with plastic fins attached. Either way, if these projectiles are plasic, in whole or in part, those concerns are well founded. Unless AGD has figured out a way to produce an all gelatin paintball that actually has fins also made of gelatin. It would explain the $1/ball pricetag.

One questions that I have is why there are two effective ranges mentioned depending on whether you are using the item for military of civilian uses. (Cops vs. soldiers) There is only one maximum velocity listed, so I assume the military versions are not simply meant to shoot the ball at a faster velocity.

The more answers one gets, the more questions one has.

Ogre

[nippinout]

I'm confused on the materials.

Seems like a paintball-use round would be greatly different.

The forward payload is like your everyday shotgun payload. The body is stated to be made of polystyrene. It looks like some plastic, not like a styrofoam.

I don't know about using this stuff if it can't degrade easily. Airsofters can purchase biodegradeable bb's, so perhaps the shell is enviro safe? But what aboot the 'ouch' factor?

I know this will be a scaled down version of the police version, but those police ones put dents in a metal door. OUCH!

This is certainly intriguing! Who wouldn't want a fin stabilized round on a bolt action pump.

And a laser and scope that would actually help hitting a target!!!

[Temo Vryce]

Ok how many people here are old enough in Paintball years to remember an old product called "Sniper Balls"? Come on I know I'm not the only one.

[Orange Crush]

Originally posted by Hexis
If you allow someone to buy a significant technological advantage, then insert themselves into a game, you give the guy with the most money the advantage.

Where have you been playing?! Every game I go to is already like this and it has been the case with paintball from the very beginning. Some people can just afford the expensive equipment. If all guns were equal would you pay $1000+ dollars for an Angel or Emag setup when you could just by a Spyder flash?!

Temo Vryce I remember sniper balls. Great idea, but before its time. People are willing to pay a lot more for equipment now, so maybe now is the time for more expensive, more accurate projectiles to make a second try.

I for one would love something like this. Like the starter of the thread, some of my most memorable days in paintball were when the ratio of semi-autos to pumps was like 1 in 10. It made for a great game. As a semi player you wielded more firepower, but at the same time became a primary target....hence requiring the protection of your team. It was great. Especially as wood ball goes, I can't imagine how it wouldn't make the game more fun.

[Evil Bob]

I remember the sniper ball, it was a plastic tail fin glued to a standard paintball, you muzzle loaded the rounds with a stick. I saw a few in action, they flew fairly straight but didn't have any noticible range advantages.

The "light" version of the 303 round will be geared toward "safty" as opposed to being "non leathal" as the 303 is, which is designed to not kill but to do enough damage to put someone down.

I for one would not like being hit with a 303 round at all, especially on any exposed skin or even the back of my head. I will wait to see how the light version looks and performs before making any judgement on the matter.

-Evil Bob

[joeyjoe367]

I don't know about you, but I *LIKE* the Idea of making paintball into a more realistic "Combat" Running onto the field with 5 30 rnd magazines into a more-accurate SSR rounds sounds like great fun. I'd kinda like to get an AT-10 or AT-85 for this reason, however I'd most likely not be able to compete with 200 rnd hoppers and 150 rnd tubes.

I agree that paintball today, specifically woodsball, has basically become a version of speedball where it's just harder to find a bunker. 90% of the time when I'm shot out playing woodsball is because I can't find a good bunker to sit behind. I'm sure I'd play a lot better in speedball (Have yet to play real airball) because of the fact that I don't have to spend time out in the open trying to find a good bunker.

Going to play "speedball" and playing "paintball/woodsball" may become differant with the Spinning Round. I'd welcome the idea.

[Pstan]

I dont normally see many "new ideas" that intrigue me, but this does. I think it would do alot for rec players and could, as Cledford has stated, even be implemented into other types of games.


The argument that it's wrong because it would be expensive, or everybody couldnt buy one, is just silly in my book. Most players cant afford a $1500 gun...........but I dont see the game dying off because they cant.


And lastly, I'm for it cause it would be seriously fun to watch obnoxious people get plunked in head from 75 yards and possibly start crying. Man........that would be hilarious!!

[raehl]

What I find amusing...

Is a buncha people on a forum primarily devoted to things like E-MAGS and WARP FEEDS whining that some new technology will "make the guy with the most money win" or "ruin the sport".


Uhm, hello?


- Chris

[EnderWigginPballin]

something like this would be very cool.... but completely stupid in practice.

skilled players can already hide on a good woodsball field and ambush other players, giving them long range would make the game harder, but most wouldn't use it.

[Hexis]

raehl I do not have an emag or warpfeed. Please refrain from personal attacks, which calling anyone a whiner certainly is.

Everyone seams to feel that paintball was more fun when...

A possible theory to consider: Perhaps the constant upgrades are slowly squeezing the fun out of the game.

I see the current technology as somewhat out of control. Cyclic rates do not need to be in the 20 cps range IMHO. I also think that full auto stuff is unreasonable in the current game.

There may be a difference in markers that increase their cost. However, the performance delta is nowhere near the price delta. A Tippmann user can shoot just as well as an XMag user. Sure the XMag will be able to spit out paint in mass quantities. It also looks a lot nicer. But when you get down to it, they shoot the same paint. They have roughly the same range. There is not a huge difference in there performance. The Xmag at about 10x the cost, does not perform 10 times better.

Now, if you take a significantly different piece of ammunition, and a different way of firing it, I think it ends up creating almost a totally different game.

[Orange Crush]

Originally posted by Hexis
There may be a difference in markers that increase their cost. However, the performance delta is nowhere near the price delta. A Tippmann user can shoot just as well as an XMag user. Sure the XMag will be able to spit out paint in mass quantities. It also looks a lot nicer. But when you get down to it, they shoot the same paint. They have roughly the same range. There is not a huge difference in there performance. The Xmag at about 10x the cost, does not perform 10 times better.

I agree that usually guns that cost 3,5,10 times as much do not normally perform 3,5, or 10 times better. That's why I still run CO2, I don't feel the cost of nitro is equal enough to the performance gain. But I think you are missing the fact that the guy who can afford a $1500 dollar gun, can also afford to carry 3 cases of paint onto the field with him. So tell me again how money doesn't equal an advantage?!

[Timmee]

Hmm, assuming that they can be made to be safe, if these could be ready for Shatnerball, it could be an interesting game. I know I wouldn't mind carrying 5-10 rounds of SSR to be loaded into my marker one at a time for that long range sniper shot (depending on the final retail cost and quantity sold per retail unit).