Roller Trigger!! Concept to Product in 3 Days!!!

[nerobro]

A larger roller would be.. nice. Your finger will see a smoother surface. and it might be easier to go quicker.

Personally I've just used the hump in the dragun trigger to the same effect.

[cledford]

Man some people are picky! This is a proof of concept design - not a beauty pagent entry! I thought the other model looked "cleaner" also - but this was stated to be for "beta" purposes. I think it is obivious that they are trying to gauge how many people are interested and start a new trigger revolt prior to totally reworking the old trigger.

The other thing is -until the system is "blessed" there is no sense in making a permently modified trigger design. It could be a waste in a few months if NPPL bans the trigger.

Lighten up guys, I could understand if this was a final product and AGD was looking for feddback on the looks - but that doesn't appear to be the case. Remember - we're the only forum around with opportunities like these - lets take advantage of them, not bust AGD's chops!

I'll take several - I'm betting once they're gone people will want them. (Like usual - pump kits, z-grips, yada, yada...)

-Calvin

[manike]

Tom, To get the best from triggers like this you do need to make the pull quite light.

Some practice also helps, after a while you get used to the way it feels when it's going 'right' and can just sustain it.

manike

[JEDI]

Originally posted by cledford
Man some people are picky! This is a proof of concept design - not a beauty pagent entry! I thought the other model looked "cleaner" also - but this was stated to be for "beta" purposes. I think it is obivious that they are trying to gauge how many people are interested and start a new trigger revolt prior to totally reworking the old trigger.

The other thing is -until the system is "blessed" there is no sense in making a permently modified trigger design. It could be a waste in a few months if NPPL bans the trigger.

Lighten up guys, I could understand if this was a final product and AGD was looking for feddback on the looks - but that doesn't appear to be the case. Remember - we're the only forum around with opportunities like these - lets take advantage of them, not bust AGD's chops!

I'll take several - I'm betting once they're gone people will want them. (Like usual - pump kits, z-grips, yada, yada...)

-Calvin

Take it easy slick. This is a forum. We're allowed to have opinions. We dont have to drool over every hunk of metal Tom throws into the store. Calling something a "beta" test doesnt make it excluded from criticism. Sure its just an idea. Ok, no need to completely bash it. Tom is a smart man. I'm sure he knows that not every idea is gonna be welcomed 100%

I think its valuable that so many people had negative or "different" reactions. Its an honest opinion, and not the "I love crap on a stick 'cause AGD made it" attitude that sometimes runs rampant around here.

Besides, when did you become Protector of All That is Beta?

[Dragoon]

Well I'll take a 'blade' version of it for sure!

The worst case scenario is that I can't get it to work for me and I take it off.

Great work getting it done so fast AGD!!

Douglas

[shartley]

Originally posted by cledford
Man some people are picky! This is a proof of concept design - not a beauty pagent entry!

[cledford]

Originally posted by JEDI


Take it easy slick. This is a forum. We're allowed to have opinions. We dont have to drool over every hunk of metal Tom throws into the store. Calling something a "beta" test doesnt make it excluded from criticism. Sure its just an idea. Ok, no need to completely bash it. Tom is a smart man. I'm sure he knows that not every idea is gonna be welcomed 100%

I think its valuable that so many people had negative or "different" reactions. Its an honest opinion, and not the "I love crap on a stick 'cause AGD made it" attitude that sometimes runs rampant around here.

Besides, when did you become Protector of All That is Beta?

Fair enough. But I would like to point out that Tom usually ASKS for appearance feedback when he wants it. In this case he has rushed a product to the market for us - to hopefully stimulate the sport in a slightly new direction. Does it look as "clean" as the original? Not quite, but that wasn't the point. I think people should look a little deeper into an offering then "Tom made this just for me and I don't like how it looks." I'm saying look, this was thought up, designed, and produced and will be on sale within 4 days and is to help move things for ALL OF PAINTBALL in a new direction. If you're looking for a pretty marker don't buy one - if your looking to help develop something new and exciting, over look the looks and give it a try. Think about it like this, the warp, z-grip and now this all suffer from great performance - questionable looks. One could even say the same for the power feed did as well when it first came out. AGD has a habit of producing products that push the limit to a new level. Sometimes they look "different." All to often they end of getting snubbed for the "look" and not the performance.

Here at AO we're AGD's official test bed and provide the company a resource that no other has. For this to be effective we can't turn our nose at every new idea that comes down the pike. AGD (like any business) is sensitive to public perception. If something id getting "downed" right out of the gate (before it's even been tried) what is the incentive for them to go forward to production? This is why you see the Zgrip gone - even though now they are the hottest thing going and SEVERAL other manufacturers are emulating them. Look at the power-feed - everyone I know hated it back when it first showed up - how many manufacturers have knocked it off since then?

One of AGD's (Toms) biggest irritations (I've gathered this through converstations and reading his posts- he hasn't outright said it) is that too many paintballers base way to many of their decisions on looks and not on performance - the Warp is a perfect example. I think that here we should give feedback on looks, but reserve final judgement until the performance is tested. I saw A LOT of support for the roller trigger before this thread, now we've got one that doesn't even have to stay on gun (designed to be easily removable) and everybody is down on it because it doesn't look like they thought it would. I'm saying that the beauty contest is LATER, right now buy it and see if it works FIRST.

Um, I'm not sure when I became protector of all things beta

-Calvin

[shartley]

cledford

[cledford]

Shartley,

Your post had very valid points - that no one else really made. You made critcisms based on actual factors OTHER then just how it looked. I think that is different then just downing something because you decide it doesn't look so hot. I think your post if what Tom was looking for.


I might have missed something but I thought this was a test, not a final product. If it is a final design then AGD will probably have to rethink it since the appearance is already hurting it with us - others out there won't be any more receptive. I understood it to be a trial and not the end product. In that case appearance doesn't count - just performance. I would like to see a final product more along the lines of the first roller trigger we saw.

-Calvin

[dre1919]

I agree with shartley's first post. I think this version is much larger and more clunky than the original pictures. When I saw the first photos of that mod I thought "Hey, I can make that at home with a dremel, pin, and a roller." That, and "why didn't I think of that?" I think if the consumer has already got to drill holes and whatnot on their own, then what the "kit" should come with is a pin and roller like the original picture one. That way, when the consumer gets it, all they have to do is cut a groove for it to sit in and drill a hole. I mean, there is already some work involved...why not do the modification to your trigger that provides the least obtrusive design possible? And the original design by Chris is still removable if you didn't like it.

[JEDI]

I think theres been several good points brought up in the past few replies. I for one think you can make decisions based on looks. I know how my Emag trigger works. I have an idea of scale, and looking at that roller, I can tell it looks too awkward. As far as performance, where is the proof this one works? Its different than the odyssey trigger. So in other words, its brand new, it lacks in testing, and it looks fugly.

I for one dont agree that we should just buy it, and then toss it after we dont like it. I dont approve of paying to be a tester. We are providing valuable info when we test something and offer input.

If Tom wants to venture in a new product, he should have to bare the cost of producing LIMITED models, then allow credible people to test them. I'm not impressed by "From drawing board to online store in 3 days". I think thats border-line negligent. Most magazines dont BUY their products that they review. They're doing the company in question a service. They might have to return the product, but theres nothing lost once finished.

[battlegroup]

Instead of making the bolt-on roller why not just make triggers with the roller already in them. I would buy another trigger to get this mod. How hard is it to just drop in another trigger?

[Fanatic]

i dont like the brass color
i would like it to match the trigger
could i use my tougue ring? it is a barbell after all
mmmmmm...intersting

[hitech]

Originally posted by manike
To get the best from triggers like this you do need to make the pull quite light.

Do you have any experence with hyperframes? If so, do you think they are light enough?

[manike]

Originally posted by hitech
Do you have any experence with hyperframes? If so, do you think they are light enough?

Yes I think a hyperframe would be light enough. Been a while since I shot one, but I think so.