Roller Trigger!! Concept to Product in 3 Days!!!

[AGD]

Hummm... looks like this one is going down like the Titanic.. Here is the last chance to save her. This is the single roller version on a blade trigger. Note that this is NOT compatible with current stock Emag triggers.

AGD

[darklord]

Originally posted by AGD
Hummm... looks like this one is going down like the Titanic.. Here is the last chance to save her. This is the single roller version on a blade trigger. Note that this is NOT compatible with current stock Emag triggers.

AGD

On the right track... make the wheel a little closer to the trigger so it's lined up with the bottom of the trigger, and I'd buy one!

[jah871]

i like the first one a lot better. the mount on ones just look hard to fire. i could be wrong, gotta try one first!

[RRfireblade]

Well,
My opinion still stands.Way to protuding.Looks like it even makes the 2 finger uncomfortable on the bottom as it sharpens the radius where your finger would rest.
As I stated previously,that method works fine without the roller so to improve on that I think you need to maintain the original contour of the trigger much like the inset roller of the 1st proto.

Jay.

[cledford]

My opinion is exactly where it started - to many people complaining about the look before they even tried it. Now it looks like the project might even get abandoned Just what I was afraid of...

I'm not sure what good it will be on the blade trigger since I don't think anyone with an emag even has a blade.

Not to jump on the picky wagon, but I'm more them happy to put one on the existing trigger - but I'm a little hesitant to pick up a blade and go to all of the trouble to make it work in my Emag. Will it even work in the Emag? It needs a magnet I guess...

-Calvin

[Scootyd]

Ok I feel the need to voice my opinion on this one. Cledford is right in the fact that nobody has even tried it yet and it is already getting dogged.

My shooting style is to fan the nub on the double trigger already. I think that the version with the rollers on the outside has it's advantages over the roller in the center. With the rollers on the sides you can keep your shooting hand in flatter on the gun. The roller in the middle would force you to bend your wrist around to reach the roller.

While fanning the nub I normally hit the outer edge where the external rollers will be sitting.

I am waiting to try it and do think it will help me keep my rythm on the trigger. Plus it still allows me to adjust my trigger magnet and is easily removeable should I not like it.

Kudos to Tom for bringing out of the box ideas to life.

Tom if you decide to ditch the idea, I would still like to get one of the stock that you already have.

[dre1919]

I like the second one Tom posted (on the blade trigger) better from a looks standpoint, but I do agree with the points that were made about trying them out first and then deciding if they work well or not. I may not think the first trigger design Tom showed is very attractive, but I don't want to see the idea scrapped before I see some test results or do some of my own.

[Eric_AGD]

As a person that spent a little time on this project, let me shed some light for you. All though I work for Airgun, the opions expressed below are mine, and they may not reflect the opions of Airgun.

1. We started with Chris' design. The biggest problem being the adjustment for the hall magnet. It is easy to make a trigger with a stationary magnet work on 1 gun. We would like to manufacture more than 1 of something, so we need adjustments. That leaves us with roughly .100" between the front of the trigger and the magnet adjustment. That is a very small wheel and axel pin. And you cannot adjust the magnet without removing the wheel assembly. For the average user, It is difficult to remove a .062 pin pressed into a wheel, without damaging the pin.

2. The next option was to make the wheel on the side of the trigger, instead of down the middle, so we could make it bigger that a .125" diameter. The problem with this is still the adjustment. Which brings us back to the problem of pin removal listed above.

3. The third option was to keep the wheels on the outside of the trigger, and secure it in a different manner. That is where we are now.

As for the blade style trigger, as a manufacturing company it is always nice to make a common part that works in multiple situations. The main purpose of the roller trigger is to work with our current Emag double triggers, especially since we dont make a blade trigger for the Emag. However, we know that some people have them, and we made sure that the roller design would work with them also.

I understand that most of the critism on this is going to be looks. Mainly because it is an entirely new concept. If we were designing a new front grip, everybody would know what they like, of don't like, about its location, feel, size, and function, because they have experience with them. As far as I know, only 1 person on this forum has experience with the roller trigger, so most people cannot comment on the function. It is kind of a catch22. Looks are the only thing people have to comment on, but we didn't want to spend the time and money on looks if people don't like the fuction of the design.

As far as this project sinking like the Titanic, I don't see it that way. There we roughly 44 replys between the original post and the blade trigger post. Of those there were 11 unique posts that clearly stated they dont like it, and 6 that stated they did like it. I think people perceive it as negative because some people posted as many as 5 times, and were very detailed why they dont like it. Where as somebody that liked it, said it in a sentence or two. Therefor you spend a lot more time reading negative comments, instead of the positive. I am not saying it is a runaway hit, but I feel it is still open.

Beta testing. We have done the free testing programs before. The problem is accurate test results. If people spend their money on something, they are more likely to test it out as soon as they can, and they are more likely to let everybody know if they think it is worth the money. Free stuff doesn't get the same reactions. Not only does it test the product, it also tests the price range.

I haven't talked to Chris but as far as I can tell, his roller has a diameter of .250". Ours ended up being .300".

I hope that cleared some things up.

[shartley]

[cledford]

Originally posted by shartley

Sam,

To certain extent you're right. In the future maybe certain parameters would help - I.E. "Guys let me know what you think - but keep in mind this is first generation", "this one isn't for looks - but to prove it works." Something to help shape the feedback. I personally don't like a product getting whacked (especially if I'm intersted in it) because people think it looks fugly - but then again I guess it's better for Tom to know upfront before investing to much time in it. I would have liked to at lease seen it tested, but oh well.

I'm getting the feeling now that the design posted (which I thought was a beta) is actually the final design. I still would like to try it out as the performance would greatly out way any heartburn over the "look." Unfortunately, most of the rest of the paintball world (Sadly even AO) seems to PRIMARILY evaluate things on looks first, then function - so from that perspective maybe it is dead. If everyone continues to look at and say "Yuck" then it will suffer a fate similar to the z-grip and the Warp. Both great products, one dead now the other frozen in development because they weren't selling well enough to keep them going. The funny part is that the zgrip and the pump kit are the 2 the 2 most sought after AGD products ever - AFTER their removal from the line up. And look how WDP and a host of smaller companies are making grips for Angels, Vikings, Impulses, and 'Trixs that all emulate the Z. AGD (it appears) has a real problem releasing products 4-5 years before the world is ready for them

Anyhow, another thought about AGD products (unbtil the Xmag) things were never marketed on looks, but rather performance. One of the reasons AGD never needed a marketing campain was because the equipment sold it's self in the field. Some guy always shows up with something new from AGD and everyone goes "Man, that looks wierd!" and then once they see the product in action they become belivers. This has happened to me on many occasions -especially with the Warp. Anyhow, I think the roller trigger could have been such a product - but someone has got to be willing to get it out there for others to see.

Maybe a video of the HALO guys using it (the AGD version) to shoot like 19bps (with paint) would help.

-Calvin

[Dragoon]

I think it looks pretty different, but... I want to give it a try!

Bottom line is why not! I thought the warp looked pretty different too at first.

Tom, I hope you at least send a few of these out to Beta testers and not just drop it. I for one would be more than willing to give it a go. Afterall... If I don't like it I'll just take it off. Isn't that the point.

Douglas

[magman007]

No one as answered my question. Why cant you use the set screw like in timmy 63's blde trigger? It works, and it works well. Your all saying adjustment is key, well it works to adjust. the olny problem with them was the magnet being at a slight angle, and not allowing some people to fire in manual mode. I never encountered this problem.


Try using chris's design, and timmy's set screw. that will fly off the shelves, just watch. that idea makes sence!

[314159]

i just questioned how long the design would be legal.... but i do like it. ^_^

i hope this doesn't get scraped for good.

[hitech]

I hope this doesn't get scraped for good.

So do I. Assumeing it isn't very expensive I wanted to give it a try. And I only have a hyperframe that's capped at 13 bps.

[CNickerson]

All I can say is wow. What other company would think of making not a solid triger, but one with moving parts on its surface. The last thing I saw in trigger innovation was the Turbo Trigger(from dye, for angels) and this blows it out of the water. Don't give up on this Tom, let some people try it, and if it rips, who cares about looks (I mean, its a really small part on the gun, if it was a new kind of feed tube or something, I would definitely care about looks, but c'mon, who stares at the trigger when they see a gun?). It's just gonna look like a double trigger from a bigger hump in the middle from 10 feet away.