Roller Trigger!! Concept to Product in 3 Days!!!

[hitech]

Originally posted by battlegroup
Instead of making the bolt-on roller why not just make triggers with the roller already in them.

Cause that would leave me out (hyperframe).

[battlegroup]

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Originally posted by battlegroup
Instead of making the bolt-on roller why not just make triggers with the roller already in them.
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Originally posted by hitech

Cause that would leave me out (hyperframe).

Sorry, So make both! One a mag trigger and a bolt on for the rest of the paintball world.

[cledford]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JEDI
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[Gunga]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner
i like it but couldnt you not do it in a style similar to trigger pants but have it go around the back. it would be similar to trigger pants but goes back and when you screw it in it hooks to the other side or just the same as they work on autocockers would work too. i think there is a simpler solution to it other than drilling your trigger to get it to work

If it were done the way you suggest, the metal from the bracket would reduce the amount of travel that the trigger has...and thus most likely would cause manual mode to become inoperative. With the reduced travel, the trigger couldn't push the trigger rod in far enough to fire the gun.

And before you suggest it, no, you can't just lengthen the trigger rod. That causes other problems.

[JEDI]

Come on Calvin- Its a forum based on opinion. Thats my opinion. It doesnt do any good to argue people's arguments. It turns into a pissing contest.

I'm not trying to come off snobby. I agree, you cant have it both ways as far as "I want it now" , or "You made it too quickly" I've been guilty in the past of complaining about AGDs lengthy time line.

I have no answer to your remark about "being compensated". To some degree you're correct. I didnt literally mean we should get compensated for testing AGD stuff. I have in the past seen fairly well conducted beta tests that didnt involve the purchase of the object being tested.

I was simply being scepticle about a trigger that turned up in one form a few days ago, and now looks completely different, and is up for testing/purchase less than a week later.

Over all, I'd say you're correct Calvin. I applaud AGD for presenting prototype stuff to us. We're lucky in that respect. I for one just take it with a grain of salt, and would rather see the efforts directed to more important things within AGD. (there's another OPINION )

[FutureMagOwner]

hehe i wasnt going to suggest that but then to just do it like trigger pants and have it screw into the side or to have a gap in it where the trigger rod goes. and there is no trigger rod on other guns

[cledford]

Originally posted by JEDI
Come on Calvin- Its a forum based on opinion. Thats my opinion. It doesnt do any good to argue people's arguments. It turns into a pissing contest.

I'm not trying to come off snobby. I agree, you cant have it both ways as far as "I want it now" , or "You made it too quickly" I've been guilty in the past of complaining about AGDs lengthy time line.

I have no answer to your remark about "being compensated". To some degree you're correct. I didnt literally mean we should get compensated for testing AGD stuff. I have in the past seen fairly well conducted beta tests that didnt involve the purchase of the object being tested.

I was simply being scepticle about a trigger that turned up in one form a few days ago, and now looks completely different, and is up for testing/purchase less than a week later.

Over all, I'd say you're correct Calvin. I applaud AGD for presenting prototype stuff to us. We're lucky in that respect. I for one just take it with a grain of salt, and would rather see the efforts directed to more important things within AGD. (there's another OPINION )

Sorry, I just "caought up in the moment" when discussing these things sometimes. You've got some good points as well.

-Calvin

[Gunga]

Originally posted by shartley

The problem with the original trigger (see pic above) is that it takes away your ability to adjust the position of the magnet that activates the Hall Effect Sensor...and that adjustment is a huge part of you being able to customize the E/X-mag's trigger pull.

On another note, the new version of the roller trigger may look ugly, look wierd, look uncomfortable, or whatever you want to say about it...but all of you guys who are saying all this negative stuff...have you actually tried it?

The answer is no. None of you have tried out the roller trigger.

Certainly, it may not end up being a 'gotta have' kind of thing, but shouldn't you at least give it a try?

Here's a common scenario...what if everyone based their puchase decision on mere looks? Certainly, that is a large portion of purchases today. If looks were the ONLY thing people based their equipment decisions on, we wouldn't have the Warp Feed today. When it came out, a lot of people said it was ugly, looked unwieldy, looked stupid, etc. Some still do. But it works, doesn't it? The Warp Feed isn't for everyone...but then, what is?

All I'm trying to say is give the roller trigger a chance. Try it out. If it's not for you, fine. Just don't condemn it because you think it looks stupid/bad/uncomfortable/whatever. I don't know about you, but I never look at my trigger when I'm playing, so I could care less what it looks like.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Gunga


The problem with the original trigger (see pic above) is that it takes away your ability to adjust the position of the magnet that activates the Hall Effect Sensor...and that adjustment is a huge part of you being able to customize the E/X-mag's trigger pull.

On another note, the new version of the roller trigger may look ugly, look wierd, look uncomfortable, or whatever you want to say about it...but all of you guys who are saying all this negative stuff...have you actually tried it?

The answer is no. None of you have tried out the roller trigger.

Certainly, it may not end up being a 'gotta have' kind of thing, but shouldn't you at least give it a try?

Here's a common scenario...what if everyone based their puchase decision on mere looks? Certainly, that is a large portion of purchases today. If looks were the ONLY thing people based their equipment decisions on, we wouldn't have the Warp Feed today. When it came out, a lot of people said it was ugly, looked unwieldy, looked stupid, etc. Some still do. But it works, doesn't it? The Warp Feed isn't for everyone...but then, what is?

All I'm trying to say is give the roller trigger a chance. Try it out. If it's not for you, fine. Just don't condemn it because you think it looks stupid/bad/uncomfortable/whatever. I don't know about you, but I never look at my trigger when I'm playing, so I could care less what it looks like.

[magman007]

hmmm, jj, Why doesnt chris Use the adjustment set screw like timmy did? that way, we can all get our triggers nice and light, adjust them, and be happy! and, in most peoples upinion, it will look good. Also i ask, will Chris stil be releasing the other style? if so, why do we all have our panties in a bunch?


Also, his shooting method, has already been stated, to not be everyones favorite, so it still may not be for everyone.

[Gunga]

Originally posted by shartley

I wasn't targeting you specifically, Sam. I was just utilizing your post to illustrate some of the other considerations in designing such a product. Most everyone was focusing on looks and how they thought it'd feel. There are reasons why the 'new version' of the roller trigger looks the way it looks. I was trying to point out some of the design considerations involved in the roller trigger.

You've got some good points. And I did see the note you had in the previous quote. I thought I had included it in my quote of you (in my previous post), but I guess not.

Anyway, the intention of my post was for people to not get all hung up on the looks at this point in time. After all, it's just a prototype. Get it working first and worry about looks later.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Gunga
I wasn't targeting you specifically, Sam. I was just utilizing your post to illustrate some of the other considerations in designing such a product. Most everyone was focusing on looks and how they thought it'd feel. There are reasons why the 'new version' of the roller trigger looks the way it looks. I was trying to point out some of the design considerations involved in the roller trigger.

You've got some good points. And I did see the note you had in the previous quote. I thought I had included it in my quote of you (in my previous post), but I guess not.

Anyway, the intention of my post was for people to not get all hung up on the looks at this point in time. After all, it's just a prototype. Get it working first and worry about looks later.

Thank you, point taken.

I will add to that that I agree folks need to seriously think about things and try to make a constructive opinion post.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by Gunga

all I'm trying to say is give the roller trigger a chance. Try it out. If it's not for you, fine. Just don't condemn it because you think it looks stupid/bad/uncomfortable/whatever.

This is where I have issues with the beta test process. If Tom wants us to be a test group for certain products fine. What happens after the "If it's not for you, fine" part? I would rather AGD develope their own tests, using their own employees, and then provide us with Great Reviews of its success.

Or, option two: Clearly state the terms of the beta test, such as; Buy my trigger, help with the development, give us feed back, and we'll offer a full refund if you dont like it. I know thats a hassle to deal with a bunch of returns, but thats not our problem. AGD is a business, and has to make certain sacrifices.

No one said compensation is out of the question, (super bolt I) but I dont like buying things on blind faith. I cant afford to just "try out" new stuff thats not tested. Why bother to post regarding "what do you think" if you're then gonna throw it in our faces that we havent tried it.

[hitech]

If you don't like the terms of the beta test, don't participate. Wait for everyone else to and read their "reviews".

I like the idea. I also think drilling and taping holes is easier than cutting a slot with a dremel, but that's just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...

[Aegis]

I am wondering if you couldn't accomplish the same thing with a "ring" on your finger, like used to play slide guitar, or something like this: