Jeremy Salms

[Army]

Just so another silly rumor won't get started. Jeremy was banned from all NPPL play, not paintball as a whole.

He can still play in any league that has not yet banned him. Of course, nothing is stopping him from any rec ball.

One of the most childish, ignorant, foolish things I have ever heard of or seen. I have no sympathy for him, or his future in paintball.

[shartley]

Originally posted by fire1811
oh yeah bro do u still have some of them keychains?
that was you right?

Yes, that was me. And yes, there are 5 more available (see Dealers Forum)! But they are going fast.

I got your PM and sent one back.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Army
Just so another silly rumor won't get started. Jeremy was banned from all NPPL play, not paintball as a whole.

He can still play in any league that has not yet banned him. Of course, nothing is stopping him from any rec ball.

One of the most childish, ignorant, foolish things I have ever heard of or seen. I have no sympathy for him, or his future in paintball.

And he has played since being banned. From what I have heard on these very boards, Salm played in the Moutain State Tournament series not more than two months ago.

Ogre

[cphilip]

Originally posted by ogre55
Salm played in the Moutain State Tournament series not more than two months ago...

Is that an NPPL event?

[ogre55]

Originally posted by cphilip


Is that an NPPL event?

I was just adding to what Army posted regarding Salm not being banned from playing in non-NPPL events.

It's also a damn shame to see that after pulling of one of the most shameful stunts in the history of the game, at least that anyone was caught for, he was allowed to come within a mile of any paintball tournament.

Ogre

[cphilip]

Ok. I got ya...I was worried he was allowed to play NPPL already. I would not think that would set a good tone. I too am a bit concerned with the message that this sends and that he has so quickly found employment back in the industry. I would myself not want my company associated with this whole scandal. I dunno what people are thinking here. A message needed to be sent to everyone that cheating is not good for the sport and it had now gone over the top. And it was not the way I see it.

[thecavemankevin]

Yes Salm did the crime, but i think you guys are forgetting the co-conspiritores (Avalanch). In the end, i have no idea if the entire team or only a few of them knew about what Salm was doing, but i do know there is no way he was acting on his own accord. Someone, if not the entire team knew he was going to do it, and unfortunatly was probably doing it the entire time they were at cup and possibly other events too. It is a shame that this happened, but it did and i am glad he got caught. But I don't think he should face this punishment alone.

I think that the entire Team should have been placed on 1 years suspension, not just kicked out of the tournament. What THEY did was wrong and should have recieved more than just a slap on the wrist.

[shartley]

Originally posted by thecavemankevin
Yes Salm did the crime, but i think you guys are forgetting the co-conspiritores (Avalanch). In the end, i have no idea if the entire team or only a few of them knew about what Salm was doing, but i do know there is no way he was acting on his own accord. Someone, if not the entire team knew he was going to do it, and unfortunatly was probably doing it the entire time they were at cup and possibly other events too. It is a shame that this happened, but it did and i am glad he got caught. But I don't think he should face this punishment alone.

I think that the entire Team should have been placed on 1 years suspension, not just kicked out of the tournament. What THEY did was wrong and should have recieved more than just a slap on the wrist.

[ogre55]

This has all been argued before, much of it by me and a few of the others on this thread. Whether all or any members of Avalanche were complicit, only Salm was caught. There was no head and fast evidence to implicate the rest of them and without it, punishng the whole team would be questionable.

As for whether Avalanche had ever done this sort of thing before, I don't think so. This was the first tournament in memory where only three sides of each field were netted in, rather than all four. That is how Salm was able to pull his little caper at the '02 Cup.

Also, the amaturish way that Salm went about his caper off points to a one time event. He was dressed in all black in full daylight. Most woods players with a few years under their belts will tell you that this will NOT hide you in the woods in daylight. You will be a silhouetted and stand out like a sore thumb.

Ogre

[cphilip]

Originally posted by ogre55
This has all been argued before, much of it by me and a few of the others on this thread. Whether all or any members of Avalanche were complicit, only Salm was caught. There was no head and fast evidence to implicate the rest of them and without it, punishng the whole team would be questionable.

Ogre

Yes I agree. There is no evidence to implicate the others knew about it and even by his own admission he acted alone. Thats all there was to that. The whole team did have to withdraw though so they did suffer somewhat. But since the act had occured on thier behalf that was the only way to fix it for that event. But I do not at this time think they were involved in it or knew anything about it. At least I hope not. And without any evidence it would be unfair to them to even suggest it now.

[hitech]

Originally posted by cphilip
...And without any evidence it would be unfair to them to even suggest it now.

I disagree. I have NO problem holding a team responsible for the actions of it's members.

[ffcocker]

agree

i agree with hitech hes a member of the team there fore anything he does is the same as the whole team doing it imo if they enforced the rules like that i think it would send a big message to everyone out there that cheats

[thecavemankevin]

Re: agree

Originally posted by ffcocker
i agree with hitech hes a member of the team there fore anything he does is the same as the whole team doing it imo if they enforced the rules like that i think it would send a big message to everyone out there that cheats

guilty by association!

[cphilip]

Originally posted by hitech
I disagree. I have NO problem holding a team responsible for the actions of it's members.

Well you agree with me then! There was no evidence that team was involved and indeed jeremy said he acted alone and he was not playing on the team at the time. So we agree the others were not responsible for his actions. Because there was no evidence that they knew of it nor condoned it. Jeremy even says that the case. They say thats the case. No proof otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty. And they all were made to suffer some for it.

I too would hold the team responsible if there was evidence they were involved. And throw the book at em!

The whole team did suffer in loss of reputation and in the withdrawal from a major tournament. And the team will never be again. In spite of the fact that there was no evidence they participated in the action. But it was done on their behalf so that was nessicary. And it was the right thing to do. So they were held accountable as much as they could be.

[hitech]

Originally posted by cphilip
...he was not playing on the team at the time...The whole team did suffer in loss of reputation and in the withdrawal from a major tournament.

First let me say that I have no problem with how it was handled. However, if we was a member of that team (how you determine that is open for discussion ) then I would personally have no problem holding the ENTIRE team just as responsible as Jermey. However, I don't have all the facts, and based on my "inside" information everyone envolved has suffered.

I'm still amazed that it happened.