Chris Lasoya banned from Pan-Am

[manike]

Sam I don't know if your post was a general one or aimed directly at me, but just in case you missed it...

Originally posted by manike
Now I agree 5 hits is way too much, and I am by no means condoning that

Originally posted by manike
Yes he screws up

Oh and EVERYBODY is accountable for their actions on the paintball field in my book, not just once they reach a certain level.

Originally posted by shartley

I agree completely :)

[shartley]

[boomerfoxtrot]

.. my thoughts...

I think people are over reacting...... in the pro levels your average shoots per second are 14+ ..... and guys shoot that with out thinking... it's part of being a pro...

The last 3 man I was in, I put TWO at point blank range into a guys head, and you know what..... the reffs couldn't find paint, so I was out and he got the pull and hang....

Why do we question this when someone get's knocked out... nothing would have been said if he wasn't out cold... but even so, I don't blame Chris... sure he shot him 15 times, but there is NOTHING in the rule book about over shooting!
NOTHING....

hurting the sport? how so? if they are shooting to fast and hard get the fps dropped 190-180 or something, b/c this stuff happens, and it happens within seconds!

I haven't seen a video of this event, but unless he just stood there for 5 seconds shooting the poor guy in the head then I have no problem...

bunkering is part of the game, if you don't like this style of play, don't play the tournys.... b/c guys are out to win, and will do so by all means possible...

[cledford]

[ogre55]

Re: Re: Re: Re: They shoulda....

This incident happened in Novemeber of last year. We discussed it back then and the views were just about the same. However, I distincly remember that in the two articles that I read about the incident (both written by "neutral" publications) the player LaSoya hit actually lost consciousness.

I tried to run a quick search to find the old thread, but I could not find it. But that thread had links to the articles.

Originally posted by Tyger

Like that'll happen. I guarantee that he'll be playing for a JT team in a year or two. Hell, he was AT the NPPL Huntington Beach as a COACH.

And I had such high hopes for the Super 7. I heard it was well run and that the paintball was very clean (compared to last season). The fact that Salm was allowed to participate IN ANY WAY with the NPPL while he is officially banned, just makes me mad I know that the ban was from playing and not from couching, but it still just pisses me off.

This should also be indicative of just how sorry he really is for the events that occured at WC.

Ogre

[cphilip]

Hmmm...I am willing to wait and get to the bottom of this. Sounds like there is reason to do that enough here. Someone is searching out the facts I assume? Please post em when you know them and can provide some documentation to back them up.

[manike]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: They shoulda....

Originally posted by ogre55
And I had such high hopes for the Super 7. I heard it was well run and that the paintball was very clean (compared to last season). The fact that Salm was allowed to participate IN ANY WAY with the NPPL while he is officially banned, just makes me mad I know that the ban was from playing and not from couching, but it still just pisses me off.

This should also be indicative of just how sorry he really is for the events that occured at WC.

I'm not sure but this may be a political thing...

Jerry Braun and the PSP banned him, and it was Jerry's team that the incident was against. It may be that the NPPL banned him also as part of the PSP event, but I am not sure...

The new NPPL and new PSP are both different from when the incident happened. Maybe both should ban him? (maybe he is banned from playing in both, but not from supporting teams?)

[ogre55]

I posited the question of whether Salm was banned from both the NPPL and the PSP a little while ago and no one really had an answer. Considering that the Super 7 is now going and the PSP season is fast approaching, I think this question needs to be answered quick.

Ogre

[manike]

Originally posted by cphilip
Hmmm...I am willing to wait and get to the bottom of this. Sounds like there is reason to do that enough here. Someone is searching out the facts I assume? Please post em when you know them and can provide some documentation to back them up.

I'm trying to find some of the other articles that were written about it, but not with a lot of luck

But in that search I have found some other information... None of this is hard fact. There are some rumours of a video and that I would like to see!

There has been a post on PBN by one of Wayde's team mates saying that as Chris bunkered Wayde they were both shooting at each other. And that Wayde went to put his 'gun down'? which is when Chris was shooting him in the head. He may have been trying to put the gun down because he already felt concussed?

I'm not sure how to read that... I've seen many bunker moves where one guy shot back after being hit and so both keep shooting until until they signal they are out. Both sides are at fault if they just kept shooting at each other. And putting your gun down, definitely isn't a signal for being out. Gun up, or hand up, or hand on the head is.

It's one reason why pro's shoot for the goggles, to stop other shooting back or trying to pretend they didn't know they were hit. It's unfortunately come about because so many people play on or swing on the guy that just shot them

I don't know but am guessing Chris went and bunkered the guy, who shot back, so they had at each other, and Chris's temper flared and he went over the top. Just a guess though.

[Quiet]

This is all hearsay.

I think I'll withhold my opinion until I can read something from both of the parties involved or see this mythical video.

I am curious though...

[jwren00]

is there anybody else from colorado that knows more about this? I don't play in the msts so i dont know much about his tournament play, i've only played with him at the field. surely there must be someone that plays in the msts that posts on here, probably even someone that was actually at the finals.

[graycie]

umm......i thought when he was banned from the GWS back in 1999 he would of automatically been banned for the PanAm. I guess history repeats itself IF that situation is similar to how he got banned in the first place.

[ShooterJM]

Hey. I'm not gonna make a judgement until the facts are in.

What I know about Chris Lasoya:

Off field: Nice guy, helped me get good equipment, taught me how to fix little things, helped me go to my first tourny.

On field: cough....well. yeah... not the best.

[luke]

To be band for one infraction seems a little extreme to me.....


Hey Manike why not just call/email Chris and ask him about it, or even better ask him to come here and comment on it personally. I doubt the story is as bad as was first posted.

[Wc Keep]

shooter jm what do you mean about exageration etc etc etc?