Super Light Mechanical Trigger Update

[SPECIAL_K_06]

id take one

[Smoken]

Actually.. a light trigger would make a 9 volt powered e-frame feasable. the reason for the big solinoid is that you'll pulling all the weight of the normal trigger pull with a little solinoid. this may be a step in a good direction for a "cheaper" electroframe

A very valid point, however even if this new lighter trigger makes it possible for an effective, cheap e-frame ($200) you have to add the cost of the new trigger to that. This would probably bring the total price to about $300. The advantage would be that this could be done in steps rather than in one big purchase. Also if this new trigger is 66% lighter, after using one will people still feel a need for an electro trigger on their mag?

BTW, I'll take two.

[Fastkid]

I'd buy one if it came out

[nerobro]

Hmm.. a pair of flat LiIon batterys either side of the sear... taht would leave the whole lower frame open for a solinoid and electronics... put in an uncapped board..... Now I"m just fantasizing ;-) But the batterys are $25 a cell.. cells make 3.6v Hmm...... could we find a solinoid that would pull the sear.. well we need to see how much force it takes. A servo could be an option as well. (the small ones are really freaking fast)

www.servocity.com Check them out ;-) Hmm... Actually.. we could even hook a cam up to a servo rigged to run continous in one direction. Hmm...... 2 microswitches, a microservo, running on 3.6 volts.. the servo would allow it to run on a single cell.

[RaTfreak]

when are they coming out?

I'd love to try one. Getting tired of a tight trigger.

Hey Mr. Kaye...if you need a test "pilot" I'm you man.

[Toakes22]

Is this a replacement trigger or triggerframe? Either way I'll buy one.

[Jerhew]

Originally posted by Toakes22
Is this a replacement trigger or triggerframe? Either way I'll buy one.

the way Tom worded it
"The parts are small and fragile so we have to figure out a way to make it idiot proof. There is a 99% chance this mod will retrofit to every gun we ever made. Its a two minute parts swap."

sounds to me like it's not an entire triggerframe but an add on part kinda like the level 10

[FooTemps]

Maybe Tom should make this into a frame/trigger package? That'd bump up the price of whatever 100 dollars but 200 for a superlight intelliframe sounds like a nice idea imo. It'd be convinient and it'd be tuned and idiot proof out of box.

[Jerhew]

but i already have an intelliframe

i think they should just sell it as cheap as possible for those of us that don't want to give up the frames we have
and then of course make it standard equipment on new guns

knowing agd that's most likely what they'll do anyway
so im not worried

[Toakes22]

word. TTT

[cdawg]

Are you joking? TO THE TOP BABY I NEED THIS UPDATE.

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy


I hope you're not trying to refer to the RaceGun Frame or the Eclipse eBlade...it's more like..between a $100 mech trigger and a $400-500 electro trigger it's not the much of a no brainer.

Do you know how much Eclipse is profitting off of the eblade? I believe it to be an obscene amount.

AGD - People will listen and believe what the majority has to say....Electros are more popular now a days... Make a nice looking, fast, customizable via firmware grip with a cool logo that stands out on the side....Sponser a proteam by giving them free markers and your sales will go through the roof....

If you put an egrip out with an adjustable trigger pull, options like adjustable response, variable bps settings, shot counter, game timer....maybe a few other simple things...People will go ape.

I have a disgusting amount of unique ideas for an egrip...If you want them, your welcome to them. I'll even help code the ones that need coding.

[Hexis]

Meh, even with an EMag I want a nice backup ReTro setup waiting for me. I suspect I'll never need it, but I would love a lighter trigger on it. If people want an EMag, buy an EMag. If the price is an issue, live with a mech marker for another year and save.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

point

I think good points as to why a person hasn't gone electric on their Mag yet are:

1.) A Person hasn't bought an EMag, XMag, or E-frame for their Mags because they can't afford it. At 300-350 to upgrade the trigger frame or a 900-1200 for a new marker to replace your old one, thats expensive.

OR

2.) They have no interest in going electric because too much crap can go wrong with an Electronic trigger and the expenses of replacing parts like Solenoids are too high to risk it. Paintball is a rough sport of equipment and repairs on fancy gear can be great. If they only have one paintball gun and it's all electric, meaning if it goes down they're done for the day, they're not going to risk it. I am in that boat, one gun and I like it being reliable without worrying if I'll get through half a day, board will fry, and I'll be done for the day and have to spend $150 fixing my gun the next day.

OR

3.) No one has come out with an affordable LED, E-Matrix style, basic electronic grip. I don't care if the thing has an LCD that can tell me my BPS being fired, time for service, location of the nearest 7-11, and all the other crap these E-frames do. It's the trigger pull and it being short and light enough to walk the trigger and make reliable snapshooting and ROFs possible. Look at the price differences between the LED Matrix and LCD Matrix. Thats the LCD features and fancy board doing that. A basic grip with a simple on/off power switch and the electronic (switch, solenoid, whatever) trigger that is short, light, fast, and reliable while still being affordable and, even better, retrofitting current AGD grips, is possible but would require innovation which AGD shows no lack of. They are innovators.

Now.... one and two basically say that anyone who wants to go electronic with AGD has choices now and either have, will, or will switch to a different company. So if 3.) happens you'll have opened up whole new opportunities and business. It sounds like this new thing, which I still don't know exactly how it will lighten the pull, will be in the right direction and if it retrofits grips thats excellent. Now, if your next innovation was a second mod that uses the first one to make the electronic mode possible while keeping the switch to manual mode work while keeping it LED based and affordable, you'd be geniuses and have really completed the improvement of any and all Mags.

So.... would a microswitch and solenoid set up as an LED on/off with no LCD frills be able to be used with this new enhancement and because of the lighter pull not require so much power to be used by the solenoid to achieve the power to pull it? Could it be hardcoded to allow high enough BPS rate that the sear will cycle fully and not result in bolt or sear wear. The Angel Speed has it capped and is made affordable because of it being a fancy LED. Use a simple LED and you can compete very well with that marker. Don't compete, it could blow you guys right out of the water because I'm even looking at it right now, WDP is on the edge of revolutionizing their guns just like the Level 10 did, and it's in your price range now.

[Jerhew]

Originally posted by Hexis
Meh, even with an EMag I want a nice backup ReTro setup waiting for me. I suspect I'll never need it, but I would love a lighter trigger on it. If people want an EMag, buy an EMag. If the price is an issue, live with a mech marker for another year and save.

amen
think about it
with the emag, xmag, and a proposed electro grip
they'd be competing against themselves....with 3 different products?!

maybe once the ultralight trigger mod comes out some other company will jump on the cheaper electro grip
but i kinda doubt agd will do yet another E grip
once the public gets to feel what 1/3 the pull really feels like, i think a lot more people will be willing to use a mechanical mag