Why Was AGD NOT at the Chicago PSP???

[Dayspring]

I think you guys have your answer now.

Go dig some bones up Tom. I want to see pics of them at IAO.

[jaylock33]

Tom,
Most of us, myself included have a huge amount of respect for you. Your vacation is well deserved so enjoy the fossils. Thanks for the insight as to the reasons why you didn't go. Hind sight is 20/20 and given the new information I apoligize for my misinformed statements made earlier. It's tough on us and even more so on You I'm sure knowing that AGD makes a great product but people still have huge misconceptions. Unfortunately for you most of us, once again myself included have yet to realize that everything that you do or don't do have very sound reasons. Once again sorry about the abuse.

[shartley]

Originally posted by AGD
Well the story is that both tournaments (PSP/NPPL) are a LOT more expensive than the PSP used to be. Its 2k cash for the both and SOMETHING like 3-4k in product additional. We have to shut down the sales and the tech department for days and we end up with literally hundreds of pissed off customers. We get behind on gun repairs and have a backlog of messages to cach up on.

The fact is that all of the people at the pro tournaments still think we suck or look at us as a rec gun. No amount of show and tell is going to change their minds. As an example look at Kingman, Bad Company is doing pretty good and they invested in a huge trailer. Not changing anyones mind about Spyders are we?

The sales numbers at the pro events don't justify the investment. As an example we sold more at the AO Megameet with 35 people than we did at Super 7. The size of the booth doesnt matter in the least, the cost is still the same.

We did the S7 thinking all the Chicago people would go to that one considering the success of the other NPPL events. There is a tournament war on right now and we can't afford to go to them all so don't expect us too. That's the way it is. Dye and Smart Parts are not showing up at NPPL events and WDP is a no show at PSP, any comments?

AGD

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

response

Thank you for the response, laying out key points like that does make a good case. I will always go with the example that WDP didn't get where they were from an untouchable product (Angels definitely got flaws) and that it was exposure and advertising that changed people's opinions of them, but with the costs and benefits compared I do see the point of skipping this event. Hopefully some way will come across to change people's minds about the Mag.

Have fun on vacation Tom, hope you saw our side and understand that we're not doing this to insult you. I don't know a single paintball product employee that puts more effort in working with their customers than you do and most of us do appreciate it. Hopefully knowing that brightens your day a bit.

[GT]

Originally posted by AGD
Its 2k cash for the both and SOMETHING like 3-4k in product additional.

AGD

Holy POOOOO!!!! 2g's for a dam both?

There is a tournament war on right now

I am not a big tourny player and I can see that. Of which I dont think that is all that great for Pro paintball, if there is such a thing.

jb

[Spaceman613]

WDP was at both NPPL and PSP.. (wdp was sitting right next to Ted and Shane at Air America)

and YES my opinion of some spyders have changed. Or maybe I just remembered that there was player behind the gun



But I do agree on the being closed for a couple days. they get mad when ya go to tourneys and events, and they get mad if ya dont. Of course, you could just hire me to go to the events and promote for you (kidding).

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

shartley

And also, thank you Shartley for making that point: bashing would be doing all this to make AGD look bad, to express we think the company is bad, or other posting for purely negative reasons. Too many people do see this site as a "see how brown my nose can get complimenting AGD" forum when really it is a place to discuss news, ideas, problems, and to see both sides of a story. We are addressing something that concerned us and seeing both sides. That's not bashing. Spyders totally suck and Brass Eagle ruin quality products like Revi's. That's bashing (and true). Sorry, had to get that one in there and it technically applies to the sub-topic of bashing so don't flame me. You got to admit that was funny too. Anyways, so those people who think this forum is all about sucking up, think again, to those thinking we're saying we shouldn't do business with AGD anymore, think again. We just want to express a concern and discuss it.

[Meph]

Any comments? Sure.

In all I wish people would get off your back. But I'm not going to get into that. It's the internet as we all know, everybody has a right to their opinion. Not everybody might agree, but being this is AO they're entitled to it.

But what I WILL get into is how due to you being at EMR last month and talking to people, showing more interest into the rec community, and displaying that prototype ULE trigger. Because of that I did buy a couple more mag accessories and am going to travel down to the IAO in hopes of getting one of those ULE triggers. Well, and to write. But the ULE especially.

You didn't have a booth there or anything, you were just yourself. And I support companies that support more of the rec/scenario groups of people. Which is why I won't own an Impulse, Angel, or Timmy. Yet I do own 6 Tippmanns, too many pumps, and of course my Automag (X-valve, ULE body, I-frame, maybe ULE trigger if it comes out at IAO).

Well, that and at the store I work at have talked about 4 kids into buying mags, so helping the sales there as well as I can.

Basically put, do business as you see fit Tom. You have a budget, stick to it. Don't do anything that won't in turn bring that revenue back. It'd be like Armotech showing up at Chicago.... who the hell would buy a WG-65 there? That'd be a waste of their time and money since they wouldn't get it back in sales or even just exposure.

[Spaceman613]

One point... and this isnt for AGD. These events were being designed to bring non-tourney players and non-paintballers to WATCH the sport. So chances are there were rec-ballers there, and I even saw a few people that looked like they simply showed up after work to see what paintball was.

[BradPalooza]

Call it what you want, bashing or not. A good portion of these posts come across as disrespectful, insolent, and rude. You're lucky to have gotten a civil response from him at all. I followed this thread because I was curious as to why they weren't there as well. I didn't pretend to know the in's and out's of it all. At least some of you have the balls to admit you went overboard.
-Brad

[shartley]

Originally posted by BradPalooza
Call it what you want, bashing or not. A good portion of these posts come across as disrespectful, insolent, and rude. You're lucky to have gotten a civil response from him at all. I followed this thread because I was curious as to why they weren't there as well. I didn't pretend to know the in's and out's of it all. At least some of you have the balls to admit you went overboard.
-Brad

[Skoad]

My opinion is the only way you can really "change people's mind" about lets say AGD is get teams that use AGD markers win the big tournaments on a fairly regular basis.

I mean isn't that the basic sporting goods strategy?

[damageinc54]

Originally posted by AGD
Thanks guys....thanks a lot...

After personally traveling to over a dozen events almost every weekend for months, we don't go to ONE event and you drag me over the rocks. Go ahead pick up the bat and hit me in the head again... I am getting used to it and maybe soon I will learn to like it and be able to relax on a vacation.


Still reading the forums from Wyoming,

AGD

Call it what you want Tom. Every time somebody on these forums has an opinion like this one you get all defensive. You think I started this thread to "drag you over the rocks"? I started this because I was pissed off that the company I support and spend all kinds of my hard earned money on did not make any kind of showing at the biggest event to come to Chicago. You did not need a booth there for the guys that are playing in the event. Most of them have been around for a while and already have an opinion about your guns. In case you have not noticed there is a whole new generation of players out there. It gets bigger every day as the sport grows. You need to advertise your products to them. There were more kids and newbie looking players at the PSP then I could have ever imagined would show up to watch paintball. I saw countless soccer moms walking around with their kids and watching games. As long as you sit back and do nothing you are going to get surpassed by the other companies that are there. Word of mouth is not going to sell you guns. Not in today's paintball market. I dont care that you took a vacation. You could have had somebody at the event to show off your stuff. You have sponsored teams, you could have had one of them do it. I am not sponsored by you, but I would have been happy to spend all weekend there showing off AGD products.

[Meph]

Originally posted by damageinc54

As long as you sit back and do nothing ...

For one event.

I might suggest ya guys purchase this next.... some tissues! You'll need them for all the babycrying and moaning you're doing.

[nerobro]

Originally posted by AGD
Well the story is that both tournaments (PSP/NPPL) are a LOT more expensive than the PSP used to be. *big snip* There is a tournament war on right now and we can't afford to go to them all so don't expect us too. That's the way it is. Dye and Smart Parts are not showing up at NPPL events and WDP is a no show at PSP, any comments?

AGD

That's the answer I was looking for ;-) I was in the same boat with muz and it looked like the event was forgotten.

Actually WDP did have a booth setup at the PSP. It wasn't big, but they had a presance.

And like damageinc54 said, if you ever need a hand (and don't feel like closing down tech support) I think we could get you some qualified people to hauk product, and help tech guns. Too bad its 2k for a booth.