American Airlines has my tank

[Muzikman]

I would have told them to treat it as lost luggage.

[nippinout]

Nice of Havoc to help out.

Yahoo for Havoc!

[Curly]

Last year I flew to florida with my gear. I flew on united and called ahead to check on flying with tanks. They told me everything would be ok and it was. I just told them that I had a compressed air cylander that was empty. But I know people who have had a lot of trouble flying with tanks. I even know someone who never got theirs back after it being confiscated at an airport.

[Havoc_online]

Originally posted by Miscue
Well, I just got a phone call from AA. They told me a specialist took a look at it (who was unavailable yesterday), and he said it was fine. The lady said it was obviously empty, and was a professional tank... not a CO2 cylinder like that turd burglar had reported even after I explained it. She apologized and said I should have been able to take it. I asked to have them ship it, and they said they can't. Havoc is gonna end up having to pick it up for me... which totally blows. And, he has to do it like right now otherwise they will throw it away. Gonna work on a letter to try to get some compensation for his gas and stuff.

I left at the time you called(when everyone's getting outta work) it took a bit over 2 hours(to and back). I had been planning on chewing AA out over what happened, but by the time I got there, I just wanted to leave, lol.

I'm just sorry you had to go through that, but I'm glad you made it out here! I'll see you @ IAO and hand it to you then.

[MattG]

I just think that airports are taking it out of hand. I mean no terroist attack is going to be using planes agian. Now if a middle easten stands up to take a piss without his hands up he is getting tackled. So maybe they should lighten up. But i think the best is just to call ahead ask who u are speaking to and show up early.

[Miscue]

Thanks Curtis, I really appreciate it. Sorry you had to go through the trouble.

Originally posted by Havoc_online


I left at the time you called(when everyone's getting outta work) it took a bit over 2 hours(to and back). I had been planning on chewing AA out over what happened, but by the time I got there, I just wanted to leave, lol.

I'm just sorry you had to go through that, but I'm glad you made it out here! I'll see you @ IAO and hand it to you then.

[Recon by Fire]

Don't you just love flying the friendly skies!

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by rdb123


Actually they were hidden in the seat cushions. They found box cutters in other planes hidden there too.

I never heard that. If they were able to hide them on planes then why Box cutters? Why not guns or real knives? before 9/11 it was legal to carry on a blade that was under 3 inches. if a group of afgans board a plane and all have box cutters... I think I would have asked a few more questions, lol. I mean.. it sucks to racialy profile someone.. but a group all of the same race who just happen to have box cutters which WERE legal to carry on a plane... no.. I would have stopped them.

It's like the movie Airplane.. Afgans with box cutters get past security, Miscue with an empty tank gets yanked to the side and strip searched, LOL

[nippinout]

I e-mailed the DOT in regards to air travel with paintball compressed air tanks.

They directed me to a link where I found this:

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interweb/assetlibrary/permitted_prohibited_6-2003.pdf

In the last page, it says that compressed gas cylinders are banned for both carry-on and checked. Ruh roh. (Thanks to Thordic for correcting my previous error)

They also directed me to the TSA, which is a part of the DOT, and also to HAZMAT.

I e-mailed HAZMAT to see what they had to say.

I'll have to e-mail the TSA about any possibility with travelling with cylinders themselves without a regulator.

[GT]

Nip,
I think you may have interpted the chart incorrectly.

The title of that portion of the chart says "Disabling Chemicals and other Dangerous gases" Last time I checked the DOT/HAZMAT tables it didnt say anything about compressed air being dangerous or disabling chemical gas. I believe there concern is with chemical gasses; posions, flamable, etc..

See the table labeled "Guns and Firearms"
It says I can bring compressed air guns they just need to be checked.

I will be taking a DOT course in sept., and if I leanr anything in regards to pb I will post it.

Also if you are looking for dangerous goods shipping in regards to Air transport search the net for a group called IATA.

Getting warmer!

jb (safety/environmental guy)

[nippinout]

gtrsi, I'm trying to figure out this whole mess lol.

It just says compressed gas cylinders and nothing specific. The link they provide does not work either. Fire extinguishers are also included, which some use CO2.

Besides that, I haven't gotten much clarification yet. Our concern isn't with the other equipment, just the tanks.

If the airlines see this list and see "compressed gas cylinders not safe for checked or carry-on" they are going to stop interpretation right then and there.

What I would like is the airlines putting a stop to being inept. Security is paramount, but some people are down right ignorant.

Let's hope we can get some constructive feedback.

[1stdeadeye]

I think the moron at AA had designs for your tank! He was going to mill your tank and then send it on. He obviously chickened out and had AA call you to return it!

[edweird]

I think most of all we need a industry letter clearly explaining how to render the tank empty and safley ship it. IE taping down on-off's or screwing in an ASA for the duration of the flight.

Then we need to submit it to the FAA and OSHA for independant approval. Doing this will add a step to the checklist thus forcing them to ask if its CO2 or HPA. Then if HPA if it matches the criteria for full open / inert container travel

[FalconGuy016]

There needs to be a new, clear, specific regulation for our air tanks made by DOT to save everyone the hassle and confusion. Paintball is growing large and there are many people who need to fly with their tanks.

[GT]

Originally posted by FalconGuy016
There needs to be a new, clear, specific regulation for our air tanks made by DOT to save everyone the hassle and confusion. Paintball is growing large and there are many people who need to fly with their tanks.

There is! come on guys keep looking, I know you can find it. I will post tomorrow to make sure I have the correct reg.


jb