Is there a point to adjustable tanks??

[FallNAngel]

Before you reply, hear me out...

I know on RT mags, the input will change the reactivity of the trigger. But what about on other markers? I mean, my cocker for instance.. it has a Palmer Stabilizer, would having an adjustable tank actually do anything to help/hurt the Stabilizers consistancy?

Yes, I know some tanks don't need a second regulator, namely MaxFlo's and Mega regs. Mags have a built in regulator, so they really don't need another one. So what do you guys say? Does it actually make a difference to have an adjustable tank on a marker that has second regulator anyway?

[xen_100]

for some people the adjustability is not needed. but most highend, high flow tanks are adjustable.

you also have guns like the bushy (I hear they fixed this) that can only have 500PSI input to thier reg. an LP tank or adjustable is needed for that reason too.

also, as you mentioned, if you get a good adjustable (IE: maxflo, dynaflow, geddon, conqwest) you wont even need a secondary reg. this will save you $100 (and one more thing to go wrong)

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by xen_100
for some people the adjustability is not needed. but most highend, high flow tanks are adjustable.

Yes, but why? So far the only real real to even need an adjustable tank that needs another regulator anyway is the bushmaster example you gave (in which there's actually a flawed product). I can't think of any other reason why anyone would otherwise need a "low quality" adjustable tank except for mags.


P.S. By "low quality" I mean a reg that will require another regulator anyway.

[Eric Cartman]

I think it'd be worth having the adjustable because it gives you the flexability to use your air system efficiently on different guns. I have my reg set to 850 for my mag, but other guns can be run on much lower pressures. If you can efficiently run your gun on a lower output pressure, it'd be worth it just to get more shots out of your tank.

just my $0.02(CDN)

[FallNAngel]

Yes, but you didn't read my first post completely... or you completely missed the point of it. In my case, I have a Palmer Stabilizer on my Cocker. The Nitro Duck XStream isn't "high end" enough to not need another regulator to go with it (hence, the Stabilizer). Since the Stabilizer is going to be dictating the pressure that goes into the gun, it doesn't matter if I use an adjustable tank or not. I could just as well use a preset and get the same performance, correct? Or will running a tank output pressure closer or farther to my operating pressure actually make a difference in consistancy?

[Marek]

Well, 2 schools of thought.

1) You have an inline reg and a preset and you are fine since the inline controls what is going into the gun. Then you have an adjustable and no inline and it saves on weight and costs about the same either way. Just connect the tank directly to the tank.

2) You have an adjustable tank and an inline. You are double regging the marker as a precaution. If the inline blows or goes down with a preset tank, the preset pressure is the one going in full force without the help of the inline.

I think it's more to the point that if you have a cocker and a mag (for example) that you just need one tank and that is it. You can adjust the pressure to fit the gun. That is to say if you have an inline on the cocker or not.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by Marek
Well, 2 schools of thought.

1) You have an inline reg and a preset and you are fine since the inline controls what is going into the gun. Then you have an adjustable and no inline and it saves on weight and costs about the same either way. Just connect the tank directly to the tank.

But if the adjustable isn't consistant enough on it's own such as an XStream or Worrgas, connecting the tank directly to the gun isn't an option.

Originally posted by Marek
2) You have an adjustable tank and an inline. You are double regging the marker as a precaution. If the inline blows or goes down with a preset tank, the preset pressure is the one going in full force without the help of the inline.

Yes, but in either case, chances are you'll either
A) Shoot hot (possible if the gun isn't "set right")
B) Not shoot at all (too much pressure holding the valve shut)
C) Shoot low (too much pressure, but not enough to hold it shut)

Originally posted by Marek
I think it's more to the point that if you have a cocker and a mag (for example) that you just need one tank and that is it. You can adjust the pressure to fit the gun. That is to say if you have an inline on the cocker or not.

yes, but what's the point of adjusting the pressure to the gun if I'm going to end up adjusting it further down the line at the inline anyway? Keep in mind, the whole point of my question is that whatever adjustable tank you happen to be using does need an inline reg. I'm leaving out the "reg x is consistant enough to not need an inline" or "my mag doesn't need another reg" arguements.

[Spaceman613]

I like rail adapters, rail adapters only come on adjustable tanks. I dont like screw in tanks for my serious guns.

Im picky about my gear, so I use dynaflows. small, light, have an on/off that works, and uses a rail (without an adapter than make it longer thna needed.

[FallNAngel]

Thanks for that completely pointless post that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. There's a reason the first words of my first post were "Before you reply, hear me out" Next time, please read the first post and try to stay on topic.

[Kaiser Bob]

you only want around 200 psi of head pressure between the tank and inline, anymore then that you work the inline excessively, any less and you MAY run the risk of shootdown. Therefore with different guns having different operating pressures, an adjustible tank does have its benefits.

[Skoad]

Originally posted by xen_100
you also have guns like the bushy (I hear they fixed this) that can only have 500PSI input to thier reg.

yes they fixed it, friend ran a bko on a 850 preset

[dcmander]

I like adjustables mostly because of how they mount.

I don't like the whole screw-in thing.

I'm surprised no one has come out with a preset tank that has a dovetail on it and you use fittings instead of screwing the tank into an ASA.

If someone made this I would buy it and save a hundred or so..But I still love my dynaflow.

That is another reason why I went adjustable. They dyanflow is the only tank that I know of that bleeds the whole line. I really like that, and I think it is very useful on any gun, especially the mag.

[Marek]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
But if the adjustable isn't consistant enough on it's own such as an XStream or Worrgas, connecting the tank directly to the gun isn't an option.

But for tanks that are consistent, (Flatlines for example) that idea is a possibility and people do do this. This is taking what I said out of context. Yes, there can be problems if the tank is not consistent, or has a slow recharge rate, but why would you buy an adjustable tank like that if you plan on hooking it up directly to the gun?

Originally posted by FallNAngel
Yes, but in either case, chances are you'll either
A) Shoot hot (possible if the gun isn't "set right")
B) Not shoot at all (too much pressure holding the valve shut)
C) Shoot low (too much pressure, but not enough to hold it shut)

Yes, but again, taking my words out of context. Like Kaiser Bob pointed out, too much and it's overworked. Not enough and it may have shootdown. But, if setup properly, then no, you will not have a problem.

Originally posted by FallNAngel
yes, but what's the point of adjusting the pressure to the gun if I'm going to end up adjusting it further down the line at the inline anyway? Keep in mind, the whole point of my question is that whatever adjustable tank you happen to be using does need an inline reg. I'm leaving out the "reg x is consistant enough to not need an inline" or "my mag doesn't need another reg" arguements.

Let's say you have a Preset A at 850 and you hook it up to Marker A. Marker A says that it should not have an input of more than 800. So you get an inline to lower the pressure going into the gun. If it blows, then 850 psi will be going into Marker A, which is bad.

There is a purpose for getting adjustable tanks and for different reasons. Seems that none of the reasons fall upon you, and that is why you are questioning it. If you had a Timmy and an Emag, and a Flatline tank, then it would serve you, because you can have the high output for the Emag on hybrid, and still use the tank on the Timmy. If you had 450, the Emag wouldn't work. If you had an 850, then both wouldn't work. (because of no inline.)

[Wat]

There really isn't many legitmate reasons for having an adjustable regulator on your HPA tank if you're going to run an inline reg or have a mag thats already regulated. Basically, there is no need to have two adjustable regulators on a gun (not including LPR regs for the pneumatics).

However, despite my dissapproval of the Smart Parts, the Max flow is quite a nice system and there is no need for a secondary reg so it being adjustable is a necessity. Due to its cost and it being SP, an alternative is to buy an inline reg and a much cheaper preset tank.

However, i have two nelson valve based guns. For high rates of fire, these guns require an input pressure of 700-750psi. There is no room to put an inline reg in so i'm forced to use a max flow.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Spaceman613
I like rail adapters, rail adapters only come on adjustable tanks. I dont like screw in tanks for my serious guns.

well the screw in thing is your own preferance, but you can get rail mounted ASAs, so that is not a valid argument.