Is there a point to adjustable tanks??

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Marek


The valve has a built-in regulator to lower the pressure down to like 60 psi. How many other guns do you know that do this?

it is more like 350-500 PSI depending on if you have LX or not. 60PSI is what the ball gets once the air has expanded past the bolt.(also the dump chamber does not empty complettely. there is always a residual charge)

[Marek]

Originally posted by xen_100
it is more like 350-500 PSI depending on if you have LX or not. 60PSI is what the ball gets once the air has expanded past the bolt.(also the dump chamber does not empty complettely. there is always a residual charge)

Yup, you are correct. 60 psi is around what hits the ball.

[xen_100]

agreed........but the regulator does not regulate it down to 60PSI.

[GT]

Re: Is there a point to adjustable tanks??

Originally posted by FallNAngel
Before you reply, hear me out...

so they really don't need another one. So what do you guys say?

Does it actually make a difference to have an adjustable tank on a marker that has second regulator anyway?

Few reasons why I use adjustibles, Dont get your panties in a wad if they dont answer your qs.

1. Weight. eliminate the asa and I have saved an once or 2

2. Less crap to go wrong. You have elminated the ASA so there is less chance of leakage. One less oring to worry about. If you notice 99% of paintball equipment is designed around reliability, keeping things simple and working until the end of the day. Even better is the single reg. Hollow out the mini on you angel to a gas through and just run a maxy, wow nice.

3. Resale value. Most folks are brain washed and think that they "need" an adj tank for "tunning." Most paintball folks have no clue how to work on thier guns.

4. Momma told me to share. IF a bud or any random person is having tank probs and I dont think they will run off with my stuff, I offer them a tank. This weekend I offered up my 68/4.5k flatline and i would just use co2 on the shocker. In any case this guy had a cocker so the adj would be nice for him.

5. Safety. Why run 850 psi to my maxy on my shoe box when I could run a hare under 400? That pencil thin line that runs by my arm may bite me one day.

6. Mounting hose options. All of the tanks I have owned, except air, in the past give me a few options on where I can place guages, fill, and output.

7. ouput guage. Nice to know what you are actually running into the gun. most presets dont have an ouptut so your gun may get kinda funny and you never knew that your tank slowly crept up to 1k+.

just my 2's.

jb

[FallNAngel]

OK, let me change the question a bit..

Can having the tank output pressure that's going to the inline really make the shot-to-shot consistancy noticably better? eg. Will I notice better consistancy with a tank that's running 550-600 instead of 800-850 when my operating pressure is around 300ish?

[GT]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
OK, let me change the question a bit..

Can having the tank output pressure that's going to the inline really make the shot-to-shot consistancy noticably better? eg. Will I notice better consistancy with a tank that's running 550-600 instead of 800-850 when my operating pressure is around 300ish?

Honestly I dont think that is a question with a simple answer. There would have to be extensive data with an adjustible tank on 2 twin setups and perfect paint. Problem is no 2 guns are alike. The genral rule of thumb, as stated above, is 200 + the next reg. Technically I dont think your op is going to be 300, rather that regs output is 300 so 200+300=500psi min. safe zone..... I think I am babbaling

Personally end of the day take home message is that how well tunned your gun, tank, p-barrel match is what really will determine shot-shot consistancy. I really think we are just arguing over nothing more than opnion at this point. In otherwords find a tank in your price point, with a good reg, and call it a day

jb

[Marek]

Originally posted by xen_100
agreed........but the regulator does not regulate it down to 60PSI.

Agreed.

[Shane-O-Mac]

I think many of you are forgetting the real reason for dual regulation. as any given air systems tank pressure goes down, the ouput pressure goes up, it is physics and no company can alter that. but, some companys can compensate for it to an extent. SP and the Max-Flow does to a point, but i have seen a max-flow have a change of 30-40 psi higher on the output side. does that affect your gun? yes for consistency it will, and may raise or lower your velocity. so if a tank going from 4500 to 800 psi, changes 30-40 psi, then you feed that into a good inline reg, then the inline reg will not see a change in pressure into the gun. I have not used or tested an air system that i trust to completly regulate my guns, without a secondary reg. the only companys that offer a "Dual Regulated" system, are PMI's THOR and supposedly nitro ducks mega reg, which i have not confirmed for myself. SP claims the max-flow is a "Balanced" regulator, note they do not call it dual regged, as you must have 2 pistons and 2 springs in the correct order to be a dual regged system. i have heard the new conquests are consistent without a secondary reg, but i would like to test it for myself (anyone wanna let me try one?..lol).
Shane-O

[dcmander]

Originally posted by Shane-O-Mac
I think many of you are forgetting the real reason for dual regulation. as any given air systems tank pressure goes down, the ouput pressure goes up, it is physics and no company can alter that. but, some companys can compensate for it to an extent. SP and the Max-Flow does to a point, but i have seen a max-flow have a change of 30-40 psi higher on the output side. does that affect your gun? yes for consistency it will, and may raise or lower your velocity. so if a tank going from 4500 to 800 psi, changes 30-40 psi, then you feed that into a good inline reg, then the inline reg will not see a change in pressure into the gun. I have not used or tested an air system that i trust to completly regulate my guns, without a secondary reg. the only companys that offer a "Dual Regulated" system, are PMI's THOR and supposedly nitro ducks mega reg, which i have not confirmed for myself. SP claims the max-flow is a "Balanced" regulator, note they do not call it dual regged, as you must have 2 pistons and 2 springs in the correct order to be a dual regged system. i have heard the new conquests are consistent without a secondary reg, but i would like to test it for myself (anyone wanna let me try one?..lol).
Shane-O

Good post.

Companies also worry about shootdown as the tank runs out of air..which is why the dynaflow increases the pressure has the air in the tank recreases.

Is this a good thing? I dunno, but I haven't had problems with consistancy with my mag all through my fill.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by gtrsi
Honestly I dont think that is a question with a simple answer. There would have to be extensive data with an adjustible tank on 2 twin setups and perfect paint. Problem is no 2 guns are alike. The genral rule of thumb, as stated above, is 200 + the next reg. Technically I dont think your op is going to be 300, rather that regs output is 300 so 200+300=500psi min. safe zone..... I think I am babbaling

Well, honestly I don't know that my operating pressure is 300, but that's about right for a cocker.. they usually go 250-350ish.

Originally posted by gtrsi
In otherwords find a tank in your price point, with a good reg, and call it a day

Good point, it's just that I have both a Nitro Duck XStream and Nitro Duck Preset... just wondering if one will really help more than the other. I think A) Chances are it probably won't B) I should probably sweetspot / crono with one, then change tanks and see if there's any noticable change.

[f3rr3+]

i know this may be blasphemy but, well, max-flows kick *** :P

[FallNAngel]

it's not so much blasphemy as completely unrelated and pointless.

[845]

I went from Nitroduck 68/3000 preset at 800( i think) to a Xstream 68/45 and I noticed a significant increase in consistency over chrono. Using timmy and torpedo.