Is there a point to adjustable tanks??

[Spaceman613]

yes it is a valid argument. the asa adds length to the tank. Which affects my comfort and the way the gun points. It also affects balance.

I use rail mounted asa's on a few of my pumpers, and they just dont feel as secure or as balanced and a rail thats directly on the reg.

It IS my preference, I pay my money so my gun is as comfortable as possible. Balance is the key and rail mounted asa's dont seem to offer that for me.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes, but you didn't read my first post completely

Guilty as charged
Yeah, if you've already got an inline and all you're doing is lowering the pressure, then I see no point in you getting an adjustable reg. If however, you wanted higher pressure (I haven't seen too many presets above 800 / 850 psi), the only way to go would be adjustable and then you could lose the inline.

Cheers.

[xen_100]

yes it is a valid argument. the asa adds length to the tank. Which affects my comfort and the way the gun points. It also affects balance.

I use rail mounted asa's on a few of my pumpers, and they just dont feel as secure or as balanced and a rail thats directly on the reg.

It IS my preference, I pay my money so my gun is as comfortable as possible. Balance is the key and rail mounted asa's dont seem to offer that for me.

ahh, but you said they didn't exsist........and you were wrong. your preferance for them has nothing to do with weather or not they exsist.

[Spaceman613]

"and uses a rail (without an adapter than make it longer thna needed."

read my original message... wouldnt the ASA be an adapter that makes it longer? did i ever say thats rail asa's didnt exist? nope, i said i use rail systems becuase THEY DONT NEED THE ADAPTER.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Spaceman613
I like rail adapters, rail adapters only come on adjustable tanks. I dont like screw in tanks for my serious guns.

Im picky about my gear, so I use dynaflows. small, light, have an on/off that works, and uses a rail (without an adapter than make it longer thna needed.

yes, actually you did say that.

[Spaceman613]

well, then you only read one part. I dont see any pre-set tanks with rails. Do you? If you read the REST of my post you would have realized this.

End of arguemnt, you misunderstood my post, or maybe I didnt type it clearly enough.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by Marek
But for tanks that are consistent, (Flatlines for example) that idea is a possibility and people do do this. This is taking what I said out of context. Yes, there can be problems if the tank is not consistent, or has a slow recharge rate, but why would you buy an adjustable tank like that if you plan on hooking it up directly to the gun?

That's my point... you (hoperfully) wouldn't buy a tank with a slow recharge rate or one that isn't consistant and hook it directly up to the gun. You'd use an inline to help that... but if you're using an inline, why use an adjustable? (read below)

Originally posted by Marek
Yes, but again, taking my words out of context. Like Kaiser Bob pointed out, too much and it's overworked. Not enough and it may have shootdown. But, if setup properly, then no, you will not have a problem.

This is really what I was looking for. So what you're saying is, if my cocker is running at say 300psi, and I set tank output pressure to 550 ish, I would get better consistancy than if I had used an 800-850 preset (since I wouldn't be "overworking" the inline)?

Originally posted by Marek
If you had an 850, then both wouldn't work. (because of no inline.)

Why not? My friend has used my ND preset several times on his XMag.. the internal regulator will bring down the 800+psi to the operating pressure, right? And the preset would only not work on the timmy if the inline reg fails. Even then, you wouldn't be putting that much pressure on the solenoid (that's why you'd have the LPR is for). The gun might stop working, but you technically haven't broken anything except the inline.

[Marek]

Again, let me make this as simple as possible.

You have a Timmy with no inline. You buy a Conquest to save on weight and size, and hook it up directly to the tank. That works.

You have the same Timmy, with an inline reg, such as Palmer Stab, and you have a preset, such as a Crossfire. Thats works also.

Which one is more consistent, well it depends on the products. If they are good quality, then one should not have an advantage over another. One will not be more consistent than the other.

You have the same Timmy with an inline reg, and a Conquest tank.

Is it needed? No.
Why would someone buy it? High flow rate, recharge rate, etc. and security that if the inline blows, the gun will be fine.
Are those the only reasons? No. Position of the tank, no ASA needed etc.

You might not see the reasons to buy one if you have one gun, have an inline, etc. That is fine, but the option is there for people that do want adjustable tanks. There are reasons, but like I said earlier, it seems that none of them fall to you.

If you pump 850 on a gun that tells you not to run more than 700 into it, you will have problems galore. That is the point of why I said that the 850 preset will not work for both an Emag and Timmy. Timmys shouldn't have 850 psi running into them. Read the post again and see what I am talking about. I said a Timmy with no inline, so you would need another tank.

Hope this helps.

[FallNAngel]

Alright, that I understand. Can you explain what is meant by "overworking the inline" a bit better?

[xen_100]

I would like an answer to that too...........cause I dont beleive it for one minute. if the tank reg can take 4500PSI down to 200psi and not be "overworked" how is an inline that is taking 800PSI down to 200PSI being "overworked"?

if this were true, then a mag would benifit from an inline reg to take the tank pressure of 800 down to 600, so the reg in the mag wouldn't have to work so hard to bring it down to 400. but anyone who uses mags knows this is simply not true.

[Kaiser Bob]

Originally posted by xen_100
I would like an answer to that too...........cause I dont beleive it for one minute. if the tank reg can take 4500PSI down to 200psi and not be "overworked" how is an inline that is taking 800PSI down to 200PSI being "overworked"?

if this were true, then a mag would benifit from an inline reg to take the tank pressure of 800 down to 600, so the reg in the mag wouldn't have to work so hard to bring it down to 400. but anyone who uses mags knows this is simply not true.

It's not the case for all inlines, but for lower pressure, high flow regs like the sidewinder, you'll find people needing more core changes due to running 850psi into the reg and regging that down to 200-300psi.

ADDED: Also the greater the pressure difference, the bigger the fluctuations coming out of the inline.

[xen_100]

I used a sidewinder for a year and half off a 850 PSI screw in, never problem.

I will believe that to a point.......it the tank pressure and the inline reg pressure are set too close, the inline will not have a purpose. it can actually cause the inline to hinder the tank, because it will not recharge it fast enough. no pressure differential.

and again, look at the mag. internal reg, recharges faster and more consistant if you feed it 800+ PSI of pressure.

[Marek]

Originally posted by xen_100
I would like an answer to that too...........cause I dont beleive it for one minute. if the tank reg can take 4500PSI down to 200psi and not be "overworked" how is an inline that is taking 800PSI down to 200PSI being "overworked"?

if this were true, then a mag would benifit from an inline reg to take the tank pressure of 800 down to 600, so the reg in the mag wouldn't have to work so hard to bring it down to 400. but anyone who uses mags knows this is simply not true.

I know Kaiser Bob already answered the question, but this is just an add on to the case for a mag. If you did that, (put an inline on a mag) you would starve the valve.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Marek


I know Kaiser Bob already answered the question, but this is just an add on to the case for a mag. If you did that, (put an inline on a mag) you would starve the valve.

exactly my point.......and since a mag is just a reg with 850 PSI going into it, why is it bad to run a screw in at 850 PSI and make the inline "work hard"(whatever that means, it doesn't work any harder) to bring the pressure down? it doesn't.

[Marek]

Originally posted by xen_100
exactly my point.......and since a mag is just a reg with 850 PSI going into it, why is it bad to run a screw in at 850 PSI and make the inline "work hard"(whatever that means, it doesn't work any harder) to bring the pressure down? it doesn't.

The valve has a built-in regulator to lower the pressure down to like 60 psi. How many other guns do you know that do this?