What happenes to WDP if smart parts shuts them down?

[shartley]

Manike
I will concede that a US Patent in itself does not in itself protect you from others in other countries copying your ideas and profiting from them. I will however state that it helps enforcing your claims, or to help receive patents in other countries (as you have stated), or more so getting an international patent which covers all in the PCT.. which is extensive.

However, this does not mean that any US IP award does not hold weight in other countries... only Patents. As you stated.

I guess we were both wrong about one point.

Thanks for keeping it so civil.

bofh
Thank you for that information.

[hardr0ck68]

guess whos been doin some research (i hate research, i have 2 projects on FCC regulations due in a month and i havent looked for crap, this debate however put me in the mood to prove argumentive people wrong)

http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/...t/query=*/doc/

[hardr0ck68]

PS, Sam you sure do have a wounderful and at the same time very annoying way of uniting AO in a common cause......

as far as im concerned Manike was proved correct on all issues!!

[shartley]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
PS, Sam you sure do have a wounderful and at the same time very annoying way of uniting AO in a common cause......

as far as im concerned Manike was proved correct on all issues!!

[hardr0ck68]

Yeah, but then again not really. It can only be extened if it was held up in court or something durring the filling process and the extension is for 5 years or the length of time it was held up for whatever is less. so again we go to the point of relevancy, the extension is only relevent if SP was held up in court when they filled for the shocker. Prehaps Sam you should be a little bit less abrasive and then people wouldent take such pleasure in proving you wrong...




sorry for the poor spelling

[shartley]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
Yeah, but then again not really. It can only be extened if it was held up in court or something durring the filling process and the extension is for 5 years or the length of time it was held up for whatever is less. so again we go to the point of relevancy, the extension is only relevent if SP was held up in court when they filled for the shocker. Prehaps Sam you should be a little bit less abrasive and then people wouldent take such pleasure in proving you wrong...

sorry for the poor spelling

[JT2002]

hey shartley, ever heard of the nemesis? yet i dont think we have heard of bob doing anyhting about this

[hardr0ck68]

yes, yes we can....

Does anyone know the origional file date fo the first schocker patent? had to have been around 97...so that means they can hold this over other companies heads for what another 14 years....wow. I wounder what companies will survive....hell i will make a point to buy a new mechanical gun every year (thats alot of RTP's ).

[SpecialBlend2786]

haha, this is a pretty entertaining thread

[shartley]

Originally posted by JT2002
hey shartley, ever heard of the nemesis? yet i dont think we have heard of bob doing anyhting about this

[bofh]

Interestingly enough, the docs that Curtis dropped on my desk refer to this process as "Patent Term Adjustment"

Also, you can't ask to get an Extension under 35 U.S.C 154, you have to appeal the Patent office's decision of the length of your patents term with six months of the patent being granted.

Translation? The patent office takes in account their delays, and subtracts YOUR delays, and adjusts the length of the patent term accordingly. If you don't like that, you have six months to appeal.

If, beyond six months after the granting of the patent, you want to appeal, you can't.

My lunch buddy tells me there's a difference between "Adjustment" and "Extension." And the gist of it is, you'll get no less 17 years of patent after it's granted.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by shartley

Yes, I have.

Have you asked Bob if he has done anything about it? I know that there are some products made outside the US that have permission to do so. I am not saying that is the case, but I have heard of such products.

Also, even if they are making them illegally the fact that Bob does or does not do anything is not in itself an argument in either direction. If someone takes your car and you don’t press charges against them, does that mean no crime was committed? Enforcing ones rights or not is not always in itself proof whether ones rights are being violated. If that made sense.

whos to decide if they are committiing (sp? ) a crime or not? the point is, a knock off of a gun is being made outside of the us, and you dont hear of anything going on, and you still only stated a "possiblility" they they got permission to make that gun, well, speculation, thats all that is

[Webmaster]

First off - Shartley and Manike have had thier say and I think that particular issue is resolved. So lets let it go and not have everyone put in thier little kicks.

Second - the Nemisis is made by the same company who makes the cocker clones - which is licenced from WGP. If they play that game with others, I bet the licenced the design from bob. Then again - it IS Asia - which is notorious for ripping off EVERYTHING from DVDs to Designer clothes, to electronics.

At anyrate - lets get and stay on the topic of the thread. I have a lot to do at work today - and would rather lock this thread than police it. Thanks.

[shartley]

Originally posted by JT2002
whos to decide if they are committiing (sp? ) a crime or not? the point is, a knock off of a gun is being made outside of the us, and you dont hear of anything going on, and you still only stated a "possiblility" they they got permission to make that gun, well, speculation, thats all that is

[manike]

Having personally spoken to Bob and National about the Nemesis I can tell you that is an illegal knock off and not made under licence.

Anyone found selling or dealing with them will no longer be allowed to be a distributor of National products. That's what they are doing about it and just about all they can do about it.

I'm personally one of the people working on new intimidators to help take them to a new level where knock offs of older versions won't be as sought after by potential intimidator customers. It's one way of fighting back. There is some good stuff coming guys .

When Autofeed was taking over the electronic hopper section of the market in Europe, ViewLoader gave away VL2000 motorised hoppers with any Automag purchased just to try and stop people buying Autofeeds.