WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

[Jack & Coke]

From the files of...



Source: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...65#post3059421

WickedAirSportz:
I *knew* that AKA was going to be the fastest marker available due to its design, so I kinda hinted at the fact that we were interested in making an Equalizer and it turns out they were looking for a new hardware manufacturer (which I also knew about).

Jack & Coke:
Why do you *believe* this?

WickedAirSportz:
Short stroke, fast recharging LPR, large ram assembly... 40+cps stock.

Jack & Coke:
1. Short stroke - currious, what's the length of stroke?
2. fast recharging LPR - what pressure is going into the LPR?
3. Large ram assembly - how does this translate to faster?
4. 40+ cps stock - you gotta video clip for that?

WickedAirSportz:
1. Less than anything else (except the mags).
2. About 200 psi.
3. More surface area (with a reduce weight) allows air to pressurize a shorter assembly.
4. No, want to make one for us?

Jack & Coke:
No clip? (video or audio) Then, how did you determine that a stock Viking can cycle 40 times per second??? Did you do some kind of test? Certainly if you tested it, you would have recorded it right?




All you AO Viking owers, did you know your stock Vikings can do 40 CPS?

Can someone please record a video clip of their stock Viking doing 40 cps?

Thanks

[Steelrat]

If anyone really cares about this, here is a thread discussing a video someone made of a viking doing 30 cps. It was set to a low debounce, I believe, and as far as I know no one verified if there was shootdown, or even a complete cycle.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97703&highlight=viking

[Jack & Coke]

Yeah, I saw that thread before... but 40???

[Kaiser Bob]

well the valve system could more then likely handle 40cps with no shootdown, the solenoid itself i dont know the specs on and whether it can handle it, but the ram is indeed a beefy solid piece of equipment that can move lots of air, i would say it would move faster then a cocker ram and they are rated to cycle over 30bps, i dont recall the number the SMC cocker ram is said to be able to cycle So I think that 40 may be feasible, would love to see a video.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Kaiser Bob
...would love to see a video...

So would I!

It would certainly be the fastest marker cycling video I have ever seen.

[FooTemps]

What's the capable estimated pbs for the emag?

[nippinout]

40 cps- Who gives a flying monkey butt about that claim.

[pito189]

Here is a picture of the Viking with a watch next to it. Kinda similiar to that Timmy video...



P.S. it's not really a picture of the video.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by nippinout
40 cps- Who gives a flying monkey butt about that claim.

Don't be such a lamer.

If you're not interested in what we're discussing, then why do you read this thread?

The topic of 40 cps is interesting to me because I like analyzing stuff. It's like a car junkie squeezing out an extra 1/2 horse power out of his engine.

Now please stay out of this thread.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

agreed

Agreed, Jack and Coke has a great mind for things and is a good "stress-tester" of ideas. That claim is pretty up there and he is asking fair questions. If WAS can back them up and answer them, excellent, the product rips. If they can't, then Jack and Coke did a "Doc Nickel" and called out an exaggerated claim and got flamed because he looked out for consumers.

I like WAS Equalizers alot, and their quality is why they are the stock boards in some of the top markers out there with more coming. I just contacted them through PBNation regarding a rather interesting project I am getting into involving the board and my Merlin because they are the best but that is for another day. I am also still curious if Debounce was designed for good reasons or intentionally to allow illegal rates of fire. But this is a very bold claim and Jack and Coke asking for solid data to back it up (since they should have had this data in the first place to make the claim) is not out of line.

So if you don't like that it's being questioned... don't post and act like an idiot.

If you want to help test the theory, set those debounces as low as possible and see what you can do. But this is one claims that needs some solid proof.

[nippinout]

40bps would be a different matter. My Spyder can go all sorts of awesome cycles per second.

Many claims of high bps or cps are made, but not many are backed up by chronograph results. The only backup is sound analysis. 40bps isn't impressive when there is shoot down. 40bps without shootdown would be cool though.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by nippinout
The only backup is sound analysis.

WAS uses a high tech method:

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Bench test. Mount sensors on each side of the bolt pin, and have a logic analyzer trigger the solenoid and count the forward backward movement (cycle rate) as the rate of fire is increased. The LA stores the time each takes for each direction of movement, letting you know what changes to things like manifold base gasket make.

[FooTemps]

If WAS uses that... why don't they give us an official test!!?!?!

[CpSuPeRkId]

J&C you are really starting to annoy me. everywhere i go i see you completely bashing WAS, one way or another. its not the fact that you are interested to see proof of the claimed 40bps(which i think is beleiveable), its that you are soo amazingly sarcastic about it and rude to Jim about it. why are u so concerned with what a company claims???? you think the man just lies for no reason???? of course not. i mean seriously. who is going to claim a number that they pulled out of their ***???? nobody. i guarantee with all the testing Jim does, he has gotten a viking to cycle at 40cps. now where his proof is at??? i dont know. i do beleive its capable of 40cps and i dont see why you find that hard to beleive when timmys have already been PROVEN to shoot past 30 and vikings have a faster and shorter stroke than timmys. so again, i dont know what your beef is with this claim but im going to laugh in your face when WAS releases a video of it shooting at 40+cps. hes probably working on it right now to shut your punk *** down. - Tony

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
J&C you are really starting to annoy me. everywhere i go i see you completely bashing WAS, one way or another. its not the fact that you are interested to see proof of the claimed 40bps(which i think is beleiveable), its that you are soo amazingly sarcastic about it and rude to Jim about it. why are u so concerned with what a company claims???? you think the man just lies for no reason???? of course not. i mean seriously. who is going to claim a number that they pulled out of their ***???? nobody. i guarantee with all the testing Jim does, he has gotten a viking to cycle at 40cps. now where his proof is at??? i dont know. i do beleive its capable of 40cps and i dont see why you find that hard to beleive when timmys have already been PROVEN to shoot past 30 and vikings have a faster and shorter stroke than timmys. so again, i dont know what your beef is with this claim but im going to laugh in your face when WAS releases a video of it shooting at 40+cps. hes probably working on it right now to shut your punk *** down. - Tony

Actually, a whole bunch of companies pull numbers out of their butt...