WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

[thei3ug]

i just wish that WAS would pick one gun and say "THIS is the fastest" instead of picking a new one every week. that's all I ask.

and don't give me the truth bit. there's little truth in this business. Suffice to say, most of these guns shoot fast.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

f3rr3+

Thank you f3rr3+, perfect illustration of BS claims to exaggerate products for sales. Low operating pressure was another fad that was pushed alot and excessively exaggerated for the purpose of sales. It's called hype and it's used to rip people off.

[cledford]

Well, I sold my Timmy - but just happened to have picked a WASed Half-mill Viking a few weeks ago. I've got the day off tomorrow so I can set the debounce to 1ms and eyes to simulate and see what we get with that. Someone else will have to figure out the full-auto part.

For the record, those who know me know that I've been a BIG detractor of both WAS and AKA. That having been said, I'm on my second Viking (after having sold the first and swearing to never own another due to the software issues and lack of tool kits) and second WAS board. (One for the Timmy, and one in current Viking) I will refute to my dying day that the Timmy had shootdown with the stock board, but also will say that the WAS products are well done regardless of some of the claims.

I'm looking forward to proof of the 40cps - go get 'em Jack...

For all of the detractors in the thread - why don't you just slink off to PBN, they've got a Smart Parts forum over there you'd be interested in...

-Calvin

[mrhooie]

The long and short of it is this

WAS has stated that the Viking is the fastest cycling marker. Making boards for a number of markers (including but not limited to the Intimidator, Viking/Excalibur, Alien and Impulse), what would Jim Drew have to gain by misappropriating his claims?

WAS is the only source that can f/a the EQ board (much like AGD and f/a eMag).

WAS is the only source to get a video from. Whether Jim will do it or not remains to be seen. There's no reason to argue on the internet about his claims. Jim does a lot of strange things for strange reasons (I could start but it may involve me never seeing the gear I ordered almost 4 months ago)

I agree with Jack and Coke, I've always appreciated his views. I'd love to see proof. CTFO

[Jack & Coke]

I'm not out to "get" anyone... I read 40 cps, and thought, WOW! that's fast! I would love to see that clip!

The next thing you know... all of the Jim Drew Jock Riders comes out of the wood works and turn it into a "please stop bashing poor Jim" thread.

Yeah his products allow you to shoot increadibly fast. I have an Equalizer in my GZ Clammy! I'm just honest and I call things like I see them. I have nothing AGAINST Jim Drew. I'm not a blind AO lemming either. Don't forget about my post critisizing the 2.4 MAX ROF bug.

When people start claiming things like:

"I routinely outshoot my Halo"

or

"My gun can shoot 30+ BPS"

or

"My gun can cycle 40 CPS"

Then I say WOW! I'd love to see that! Where's the video clip?

Nowhere have I ever doubted, refuted, or contested which gun is the best or proclaimed which is the speed king!

Some of you think I take sides against Jim all the time. You're wrong. If something doesn't jive, I start asking questions. If you can't stomache the FAIR questioning, stay out of the thread and go get a hug from mommy.

[Steelrat]

Well, you sacrificed any attempt at impartiality by posting that big "Ripley's believe it or not" pic in your original post.

And as far as outrunning halos, I have done it, though not regularly. And I only notice if it I leave the Viking in simulate, as the eyes prevent any chopping when enabled. Unfortunately, I do not carry a video camera with me when I am playing, so I am unable to provide any footage.

[Marek]

I love my mommy.

Anyway, keep up the good work. I am curious to see vids of all these things. Still waiting on the A4 doing 30 bps too.

[Havoc_online]

Originally posted by Marek
I love my mommy.

Anyway, keep up the good work. I am curious to see vids of all these things. Still waiting on the A4 doing 30 bps too.

After some bugging, I've finally gotten a reply. Supposedly WDP will be releasing a 30bps vid soon.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Havoc_online


After some bugging, I've finally gotten a reply. Supposedly WDP will be releasing a 30bps vid soon.

That would be cool to see!

[Tobe2be]

Wow i agree with J+C all the way with the questioning. i find it funny that in everything else people dont beleive it till they see it but in paintball people beleive the hype. also Cpboy said why would people put out numbers. i think it was clearly proved that all the milled back halfs for the classic valves dont do a darn thing but yet shocktech,and ANS made these parts and said that they would help your mag.

As i was saying before about this being one of the few sports were people beleive the hype. im into car racing and if someone tells me that they are running the 1/4 mile in 11's or 10's with a Rt of .501 i am one of the first to ask for some video or some proof but yet WAS comes out and say that a viking can do 40 cps and everyone is going GOO GOO GAH GAH for a viking without even knowing if its true. ima a mag owner and ive shot a eblade and WOW those things are amazing but common why would someone get offended if someone asks them to prove it. And CPboy im currently working on a new paintball marker than can cycle 42.523498445088590009223993393884 (and please dont ask me to prove it cuz thats wrong and your not suppose to do that)

another thing i seened the video that someone posted here and i noticed something really funny. when this guy shoots first stream you barely see the valve pin moving (i thought it was moving so fast that i couldnt see it fine beleivable) then he shoots his second stream and you see the pin move a lil more back and the final burst you see the valve and pin move even further back so i dont know if those are full cycles.im considerably new to paintball but im not idiot with common sense.

Anyways thanks j&c for asking the contraversial questions that many people wouldnt dare to ask like prove it God forbid someone will get offeneded. we have way to many PBN trolls.we need a revolutoion against PBN trolls

[breg]

40 CPS? Wow that is a lot. What is the actual, sustained balls per second? I doubt that it is anywhere near 40 BPS.

[Kaiser Bob]

Originally posted by Tobe2be
...another thing i seened the video that someone posted here and i noticed something really funny. when this guy shoots first stream you barely see the valve pin moving (i thought it was moving so fast that i couldnt see it fine beleivable) then he shoots his second stream and you see the pin move a lil more back and the final burst you see the valve and pin move even further back so i dont know if those are full cycles.im considerably new to paintball but im not idiot with common sense...

There is a valid explanation for that. The framerate of the video can only catch so much. Think of a strobe light in a dark room and repetiive movement like clapping. If you time it right it can look like your hands are in exactly the same position yet you know you are clapping because you can hear it, and well you are doing it , but you cant see your hands move at all, you can have your hands look like they are in any position of the stroke depending on the timing. Since the bursts started at different times during the framerate cycles and the bolt cycle and the camera cycle are perfectly synched, it would look like the bolt might stop in different places during the vid.

[Tobe2be]

VALID POINT but if you look at the video the pin doesnt move completely back on the first burst... ive been analyzing the video and the bolt DOES NOT move all the way back as it does on the last burst. look at it again doesnt seem to be the camera Frames per second has anything to do with it. again i can be wrong. just take a look at it seems funny to me

[SkyBoySurfer]

I know that the film IS NOT fast enough to "see" the bolt move completly.

But it also seems like the bolt isint doing a full cycle in the first 2 bursts and every time he relased the trigger the last cycle would actualy do a FULL cycle..the rest of the time it seemed like it was only doing 1/2 or mabe even 1/3 of a full cycle...

I could be completely wrong...because the film isint fast enough to "see" it

we would be able to tell tho if he shot paint threw it....thats for damn shure =D....i would would imagein you need a flatline nitro system to keep the shoot down away.


and on another note.....WHO IN THE HELL WANTS TO SHOOT 40 BPS!!!!i know CPS and BPS are are diffrent things.....but damn....comeon

that is full auto.....and we all know..we cant use fullauto in paintball games......so whats the point?
Thats not exactly what I look for when I want to buy a new gun.

Thats just my opion I could be wrong.

[Tobe2be]

well thats exactly what i was talking bout that you see that it doenst do a full cycle. but hey me and skydsurefer can be wrong.