WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

wow

I wonder if J+C can do that sound-examination he did on his full-auto mag. And I really wish I could definitively tell if he had the debounce lower. Look at your trigger finger, move it up and down, and imagine doing that 20 times within the time someone can say one mississippi. Even 15 times=30cps seems a stretch but who knows they guy could be that good, it's just impossible to tell on the video.

Either way, if the sound file checks out I'd consider that the proof it can go up to 40/sec.

[magnj]

Re: Re: WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

Originally posted by joey d


I do now:

http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=361344

that is froth from the AKA forums @ PBN. trigger guru extrodinaire. doesnt come to 40 exactly, comes to 39.7 according to him. but, because the fda can call stuff fat free if it contains less than 2% of the daily allowance or something like that.. i suppose you can call this 40 easily.

enjoy.

Thank you and goodnight

[yeahthatsme]

Originally posted by pito189
Here is a picture of the Viking with a watch next to it. Kinda similiar to that Timmy video...



P.S. it's not really a picture of the video.

uuummmm thats a rat impulse from the rat video, not a viking....

[FreshmanBob]

J&C, I'm sorry, but not to sound like a biased viking owner or anything, but its really looking like Jim Drew was right after all. I think your a cool guy and really enjoy reading most of the stuff you do with markers, but I can't help but grin at this.

Anyway, on with the sound analysis!

[cledford]

People never seem to get it

JC was not saying that a Viking couldn't cycle X CPS - he was asking how WAS determined that it could with no data that he could (or was willing) to provide. Sure you can say "shorter ram stroke leads to faster cycling" but when someone simply asks "What is the length?" and you can't answer everything else stated is suspect. So did the Viking actually end up achiving what was claimed? I guess so - but that wasn't the real issue. Could we have sat around and all taken guesses at what the CPS was and someone still been right? Sure, and there is no difference between that guy and what someone else claims more but without posting data.

The other question still stands - does it do it without shootdown?

-Calvin
(proud owner of WASed AKA 03 Viking)

[TransMan]

Re: wow

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
I wonder if J+C can do that sound-examination he did on his full-auto mag. And I really wish I could definitively tell if he had the debounce lower. Look at your trigger finger, move it up and down, and imagine doing that 20 times within the time someone can say one mississippi. Even 15 times=30cps seems a stretch but who knows they guy could be that good, it's just impossible to tell on the video.

Either way, if the sound file checks out I'd consider that the proof it can go up to 40/sec.

The way you can tell is when he pulled the trigger normaly and it shot once if it was at a low debounce it would have shot about 3 times.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

sick

Oh christ before this starts again... J+C owns a bunch of high-speed markers including a timmy and I am a total mark for AKA products... IT'S NOT US SAYING IT COULDN'T EVER SHOOT THAT FAST!!!! J+C wanted to see the numbers/vid because so many companies make bogus claims and having solid numbers will back a claim up but also because he is a tinkerer and interested in that type of stuff. It was shady that Jim Drew made the claim and couldn't back it up immediately which is what prompted the tread. Now we have some proof which is cool. I am impressed and respect these results and I am very sure J+C will respect it, it's a few bullheaded people here who are thinking he said something he didn't. And I say only a few because alot of you are actually contributing good constructive remarks. It's the stray idiot that makes this aggravating.

On a side note, notice Froth says in the thread the Angel Speed, which is infamous for the claim of 30cps, topped out at 20 or so? THAT is the reason why people like J+C sometimes ask to see some proof to support a claim. The Angel claim was proven bogus. So should we have just assumed it was true? NO!

This place is worse than PBN sometimes... some of us here still think and are willing to ask "why" and "how" when a company says they can do something and don't follow up with anything to justify the claim. Contribute your opinion but don't rudely flame the person or rub it in his face, you're just acting like a jerk if you do.

That's my rant, and for the record I do think the Viking is the top marker out right now and that vid is just SICK. good night!

[Marek]

What the hell is a rant?

[FreshmanBob]

Guys, I never said J an C didn't think it could go to 40, all I said was Jim was right, despite some of the things he tries to pull. This is getting blown out of proportion.

[Prairie]

I dont know about 40...but a viking can easily get 32 cps...bounce

www.flagpull.com/AKA/lawn.wmv - thats me, WAS debounce 1, dwell 13, default razor trigger.

I am a frequent member of the AKA community, and friends with froth..but I have my doubts of his 40cps claim.

[TransMan]

Well im pretty sure that when he gets the audio equipment that he needs he will prove his self right and i cant wait to see it. I also cant wait to see what happens when he puts paint in it that should give us a good idea of how fast the eyes are.

[Jack & Coke]

Re: Re: WAS proclaims VIKING = FASTEST MARKER AVAILABLE @ 40 CPS stock! (no video)

Originally posted by joey d


I do now:

http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=361344

that is froth from the AKA forums @ PBN. trigger guru extrodinaire. doesnt come to 40 exactly, comes to 39.7 according to him. but, because the fda can call stuff fat free if it contains less than 2% of the daily allowance or something like that.. i suppose you can call this 40 easily.

enjoy.

Wow that sure sounds fast...

However, with precision claims of 39.2 and 39.7, I expected a much better quality recording

When I play the http://mywebpages.comcast.net/c77bronco/40cps.wmv clip, the audio is all garbled. He says he "cleaned it up" with Cooledit, but sounds terrible! Even after I converted the audio track into a wav file using dBpowerAMP Audio Converter, it was all mucked up and illegible. There were NO distinguishable peaks to count.

I was really looking forward to this "40 cps proof"... how disappointing...

Originally posted by cledford
People never seem to get it

JC was not saying that a Viking couldn't cycle X CPS - he was asking how WAS determined that it could with no data that he could (or was willing) to provide. Sure you can say "shorter ram stroke leads to faster cycling" but when someone simply asks "What is the length?" and you can't answer everything else stated is suspect. So did the Viking actually end up achiving what was claimed? I guess so - but that wasn't the real issue. Could we have sat around and all taken guesses at what the CPS was and someone still been right? Sure, and there is no difference between that guy and what someone else claims more but without posting data.

The other question still stands - does it do it without shootdown?

-Calvin
(proud owner of WASed AKA 03 Viking)

cledford is correct!

QUINCYMASSGUY is correct also!

I'll repeat again... I do not think 40 or 50 cps is impossible. But, you better come up with some legit, good quality proof because 40+ cps is very very very fast.

As far as raking 40 cps "without" trigger bounce (as claimed by the author), what do you think the cycle rate of his raking finger must be in order to make the trigger switch on and off 40 times per second? How fast do you think his finger is moving up and down?

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

flame

Before anyone flames J+C for still not believing, a direct quote from Froth in his PBN thread:

"I will admit the posibility of some of this being echo, I do need a better mic to Outrightly prove this, as using an Enhanced Sound clip really isnt the best way to do it as you stated, the high points could also be from room echo."

And he also states something along the line of it possibly not being 40 but definitely above 20, which is not what we're arguing, so a valid case does exist in continuing this. Strange thing is, he mentioned Jim Drew has proven this through video (least I think he said that) so I'd be curious to see it.

[cphilip]

You know what always interests me is that when someone says "Prove it" the believers without proof always consider that rude. is this guy a God to some of you? I certainly do not think so. I respect his work and his stuff. But I also respect my local dog catcher for that too! He does make some good stuff. Everyone aknowledges that. But however that does not elivate him to some status that does not allow questioning and proof. In fact it makes him a target of just that. In fact he is obligated to provide proof. He is the seller and the Claimer of these things. Its his duty to be able to prove it. Anyone out there selling Paintball stuff should expect it. And should be prepared to prove it. And in fact I find it more rude for anyone to then try and question the motives of the skeptic trying to get the truth! I like skeptics. For just being skeptics.

[afrankart]

Froth's claim to 40 CPS has absolutely nothing to do with any product that he manufactures and produces.