Looks like DYE is going the way of SP

[Steelrat]

http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350740

DYE has apparently started sending cease and desist letters to manufacturers of aftermarket bolt kits. That part was confirmed by Aardvark in that thread. Another person stated that the only aftermarket parts DYE is going to allow are going to be barrels, feednecks, and back plates. And that applies to both the new DM4 as well as the older trixes.

Thats a sad comment on the quality of DYE stuff. You dont see AKA and AGD going after people for making aftermarket parts for their guns, because almost no one makes aftermarket parts. Why? Because AKA and AGD make the best possible parts for their gun. These letters are DYE's way of acknowledging that their parts are inferior. Why do they care? Well, if you need to buy a new bolt, guess who you'll have to buy it from? I guess this also screws people who bought Trauma trixes, as they will not be able to replace bolts that break.

[dinger]

ahhh...

its JUST LIKE Hitler and Mussolini!!

communist bastards, soon they are going to attack Poland [those other companies] and then France and the U.S. will come in for the rescue! [AGD and BE (BE being france)]






come on i just learned this... may as well put it to good use in an analogy

[Steelrat]

I dont think AGD cares about what DYE is currently doing. Unlike SP, who are apparently attacking everyone who makes an electronic marker, DYE is just going after people who make aftermarket parts for theirs. But its always good to try to apply the lessons of history, keeps us from repeating it, or so they say

If you read the thread, you'll see an interesting post from the guy at Aardvark. Apparently, in its infancy, the Martix was withering on the vine as sales suffered due to horrible efficiency. This guy (and others) worked hard to produce parts that solved the efficiency issues, parts that started to come standard on the trix. Now he recieved a letter telling him to stop making parts for it. Thats a nice thank-you for helping to rescue the marker from oblivion.

[adam shannon]

get used to it

paintball has finally evolved from a backyard machineshop business to big business. all thsoe people will eventually strike licensing deals with dye...just like how it works in regular business.

dye hasnt jumped into mr peabody's way back machine and claimed they invented the wheel like SP has...yet. they are protecting their product, and yeah aftermarket parts are great...and some times better than the original, but for as much as dye paid to buy gen-e they are just trying to protect whats theirs.

SP saying they invented electro markers is like if everytime you logged onto the net you had to give al gore a nickel.

after the SP suits, everybody is going to be tightening up and protecting what they have invented. its sad, but big business tactics have come calling and PB is finally waking up and acting like a multi milion dollar a year business.

just wait till bud tells everybody thats being a little child that they cant use cocker threads anymore! i would buy admission to see that one.

[maglover52]

i can understand it with the dm4 sense its there gun. but not the regular matrix. but dye makes great products so i trust they will do the right thing.

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by Steelrat
Now he recieved a letter telling him to stop making parts for it. Thats a nice thank-you for helping to rescue the marker from oblivion.

once again its sad but thats how business goes. the guys that invented microwave ovens and concentrated orangejuice didnt get squat for what they invented...why because they were working for a company that owned all their work product...they got a paycheck just like every month. just because you invent something or modify an existing design...you better make sure you have rights to the parts you re-designed...or the company that owns them will kindly thank you then make boucoup $ off of your work.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by dinger
ahhh...
France and the U.S. will come in for the rescue! [AGD and BE (BE being france)]

ehh....somehow, I think BE will take the role of the US, Great Britian, Russia and perhaps the entire world should it ever get there. Sorry to burst your bubble, but BE is now a multi-BILLION dollar company

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by maglover52
i can understand it with the dm4 sense its there gun. but not the regular matrix. but dye makes great products so i trust they will do the right thing.

dye bought gen-e, and the matrix...so they own the design. look at all the peple making aftermarket bodies for the mag. IT, Nicad, etc. if tom woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day he could tell them to cease and desist since he owns the design.

[Python14]

My thing is this....protecting your product is fine. But why not do it the more effective way, by creating a better product?

Like I said in that thread on PBN, Unless you just really liked the spool valve and such, why would you buy a new matrix from DYE knowing you could not improve it's performance any, nor fix one of it's biggest problems...efficiency?

And lets say they are coming out with a new bolt kit? If it's better than the competition, why not just let that nullify the competition? And it's it's worse, then the consumers dislike for DYE will simply increase. The unfortunately thing about the matrix is that it shares the same performance envelope limits as the Viking. I can see AKA sales going UP UP UP! And if it's just that they are copying the Evolve design(most efficient at the moment) and wanted to eliminate the competition, they will take a dive because the aftermarket companies who were making bolt kits for the matrix now make performance parts for the matrices competition...and these aftermarket folks will not lend any favors to DYE after this(Ardvarks post is proof positive of this. Peegee of Evolve also concurs)


Simply put, DYE is shooting themselves in the foot. Pure and simple.

[Ghost24]

Hey Dinger, not to be too pickey, they were fascist governments. They were opposed to communism. But, I feel what you are saying.

[Steelrat]

Protect whats theirs? How about protecting the guys who were building those parts before DYE bought the patent, or who created the market for the gun in the first place by making it efficent enough to use?

And DYE didn't ask them to sign licenses, they told them to stop making them, plain and simple.

I do not like allowing companies to get away with this merely because is seems typical of "big business." On my cars I can replace cam shafts, oil filters, air filters, pistons, whatever, with aftermarket parts. And you don't see the auto manufacturer's suing those guys. This isnt sound business logic, its DYE's acknowledgement that its parts are inferior, and its attempt to dominate the Matrix parts market.

[Steelrat]

AGD isnt worried about aftermarket parts because, as of yet, no one has produced anything that works better than the parts AGD makes. Nicad's bodies are nice, but they arent selling close to the number of ULE bodies that AGD is selling. And I suspect that, if someone made a nice enough body or other part that was truly better than stock AGD stuff, AGD might just buy the rights to make it. After all, they did buy some Chord bodies form Nicad.

If people are in favor of turning paintball into a money making machine where innovation is stifled in order to reap maximum profit, thats fine. I, for one, do not like the idea of that one bit. And I will do what I can to prevent it, even if its just refusing to buy a certain company's products.

Python hit the nail on the head. The best way to protect their market share is to produce a superior product, not prevent everyone else from making them. Unfortunately, I think DYE has learned the real lesson of the SP crisis, which is that no matter how much public outrage your actions cause, people will keep on buying your stuff like they did before.

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by Steelrat
On my cars I can replace cam shafts, oil filters, air filters, pistons, whatever, with aftermarket parts. And you don't see the auto manufacturer's suing those guys. This isnt sound business logic, its DYE's acknowledgement that its parts are inferior, and its attempt to dominate the Matrix parts market.

your talking about non-unique parts. if ford owned a specific thread type, and thats what was on their cam shafts you would have to buy it from them or a licensed maker.

were talking about unique parts that are the "it" of the entire marker design. look what SP did...they went back and claimed that stuff that everybody has been doing for years is theirs because they alegedly did it first. so if dye doesnt protect their spool valve design somebody could claim they invented it first just because they were making aftermarket bolts for years.

the whole industry is going to start ducking and covering with all their products and ideas. you kids are sitting too close to the adults table and trying to comment on stuff thats beyond your comprehension. what dye is doing is in no way even remotely close to SP.

[Steelrat]

I hate to break it to you, but the cam shaft in my car IS a unique part. Its not like I can rip a shaft out of my G35 and throw it in a Hyundai. Yet I can buy aftermarket cam shafts. So its a great analogy. How about this? I can go out and buy aftermarket chips for the engine. The chips are the very heart of the engine management system, yet I can buy one soley designed for my engine, produced by an aftermarket company.

And dont call me a kid unless you know who I am. Maybe you should learn to think like a big boy before you try to act like one.

DYE is attempting to increase their profit by eliminating or enslaving the competition using questionable pretenses. How is that different than SP?

[adam shannon]

if its a unique part with patented dimensions then it must be licensed or left unprotected intentionally, UNLIKE THE DYE MATRIX.