When is the next california tour for AGD?

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  • cphilip
    Former Moderator

    • Jun 2026
    • 16216

    #16
    Well I can tell you this... Tom never commits to anything until he see's you can pull it off and he finds he has the time then as well. Those two things are hard to put in the same time frame. So far he has only come here well after it was going on anyway. He smartly waits to see if its GOING to happen before he commits. Who wouldn't? It doesn't matter what part of the country you in. He never commits to me unless he see's I pullin it off. I respect that too. Wouldn't want it any other way.

    I suggest you do these things: Make it an AO event. Not just a group of guys getting a spot with all the others at a field. You can start that way but you have to have a larger vision. Spend some time making all the arrangements including your own field, cheap paint and just AO members around you...And then get some place where you all meet and have Dinner and just you all are together for a meeting/party... get 100 people to come to that THEN he will come. But you gotta prove you can do it first. And it takes some outlay and some risk. Can you do that? Have you done that? It's not easy. You have to know people that can deliver and there are always things cropping up no matter how well you plan. I dealing with last minute hassles even today! My paint supplier is not doing all he is supposed to. That sort of thing all the time. I got a million things to do tomorrow and the next three days! You have to have time away from work to do these things. Will your job allow you that kind of time? Can you commit to doing this and spending the time?

    He has to maximize his return on his expenses and travel to where he gets the most bang for his buck. That's how you get people like Tom to come. That's how you get anyone that is busy and has a life to give up his weekend with his family. That's how you get 100+ people to do that as well. They want to know they going to someplace that is catering to them. They deserve that as it's their hard earned money and they want a good time and do not want to waste that on something that is speculative. They have to trust you to do all that set up for them and that it will be there when they get there. Tom is no different than any other member that is coming in that respect. That's how I see it anyway.

    Those are just my observations and the principles I use when doing these. The thing is, even then, you never know what the turn out will be. You take a big risk. And you have to just develop an attitude that it realy doesn't matter. Then you just launch into it and organize and you have to Promote, promote and promote some more. Sometimes you even have to beg! It consumes most of your spare time for 6 months. You have to call in all your contacts and connections and make them excited about helping you do it. You can note the key AO members that pitch in to help me? I don't ask them. They just volunteer. All kinds of them do. It's a pleasure to know those kinds of people. Core members give a lot to make it happen. And if you do not have their respect and support and if you not willing to do all that then it will not happen. And even if you do that it's not something you can control all of it. It's a crap shoot... but you gotta roll em! And see if it happens. No amount of complaining is going to change that. You gotta do the work. Nuttin if free. I just a State Employee dudes. Nothing specail. But I do know how to make stuff happen. And thats how ya do it.

    Anyway I hope that helps and I not said anything thats not the case. I don't think so. So go out and do it! If you want it to happen MAKE it happen. If I can help feel free to ask me.

    Ok I done now...


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    • DiRTyBuNNy
      Registered User
      • Sep 2001
      • 4854

      #17
      Originally posted by Kevmaster


      and not to rag on you guys, but AOSE and AONJ bring in 100+...you didn't hit 20 there. Tom doesnt have anything against the west coast, its just the numbers! Why go to SoCal and see 20 when he can go to AOSE and see 100+?
      And why the heck would you want to go to NJ when you can come to California? You may want to really think about that statement for a moment...

      and the fact that we are the only 20 people shooting mags out here...I'm not saying Tom needs to come out here...i hate to be blunt but most of us could care less if Tom came out...we know nobody cares about us...so we do our own thing..
      Last edited by DiRTyBuNNy; 11-18-2003, 11:44 PM.
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      • Aegis
        To old for this
        • Dec 2002
        • 596

        #18
        Geez, guys, relax. I saw a Cali trip featured on Airgun.com's latest news - it is the 6th most recent post, look it up - and asked when it might happen again. Did not think that was particularly whiny. Other than Splatt attack, it is the only other AGD-attended event in the news since then.

        As long as we are getting personal, might want to consider why this is still cocker country. What comes first, marketing or market share? Is it the fault of the AGD supporters out here that we do not have the presence the east coast does? I am fairly new to this whole thing, enlighten me.
        Last edited by Aegis; 11-18-2003, 11:59 PM.
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        • cphilip
          Former Moderator

          • Jun 2026
          • 16216

          #19
          No... but notice we never limit ourselves to Mag owners? Like you just did in your comment? We attract "AO members" or even potential AO members no matter what marker they bring to these. We also involve our Angel owners. We diversify.


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          • DiRTyBuNNy
            Registered User
            • Sep 2001
            • 4854

            #20
            Originally posted by Aegis
            Geez, guys, relax. I saw a Cali trip featured on Airgun.com's latest news - it is the 6th most recent post, look it up - and asked when it might happen again. Did not think that was particularly whiny. Other than Splatt attack, it is the only other AGD-attended event in the news since then.

            As long as we are getting personal, might want to consider why this is still cocker country. What comes first, marketing or market share? Is it the fault of the AGD supporters out here that we do not have the presence the east coast does?
            you're preaching to the choir, man...you're preaching to the choir...why do you think I'm known as the NPPL/PSP Super Fan?
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            • the_next_guy_
              official ao member #10261
              • Jun 2003
              • 429

              #21
              when is the next socal AO day?

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              • Aegis
                To old for this
                • Dec 2002
                • 596

                #22
                Originally posted by cphilip
                No... but notice we never limit ourselves to Mag owners? Like you just did in your comment? We attract "AO members" or even potential AO members no matter what marker they bring to these. We also involve our Angel owners. We diversify.
                Not sure where I said that - I can't even say for sure how many in our AO Norcal bunch shoot other-than-mags, but I know it is a few. Geez, we even let Steelrat show up and he has a Viking, an Eblade and he wears a jersey. Poser.

                Our AO/Norcal threads have never had a hint of mag bias. All are welcome, and all AO'ers that want to play have been included at our gatherings regardless of their gear.
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                • Steelrat
                  I meant to...uh, nevermind
                  • May 2003
                  • 5375

                  #23
                  Its not the fault of AGD supporters Aegis. Its not your job to make everyone own AGD products. The company should be able to do that on its own. Very few people out here care about mags at all. Just look at that one collecting dust at the Stockton ACE. And I dont see that changing anytime soon, if at all.

                  Honestly, as nice as it would be to meet Tom Kaye, its not worth the effort it would take to attract him. I'd rather put my energy into making a kick-butt day of play than an event designed to appeal to someone in particular. And Aegis, you kinda look like TK, in an old-man-with-facial-hair kind of way You'll make a great stand-in.


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                  • Aegis
                    To old for this
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 596

                    #24
                    Uhhh....thanks... I guess...

                    At least you left out the fat old man part. Did I mention I want to play front next time? I am using too much paint standing aronud in the back with Zman.
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                    • Steelrat
                      I meant to...uh, nevermind
                      • May 2003
                      • 5375

                      #25
                      Et tu, Aegis?

                      #1 Its poseur, not poser :P

                      #2 I had a Viking before it was cool to own a Viking. That makes me a trendsetter, and therefore wicked cool.

                      #3 The jersey is lightweight and ventilated, preventing me from getting all sweaty and smelly, unlike SOME people

                      #4 Without my hardware, the guys at SCP would just lump all of us in with the tippman rentals


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                      • DiRTyBuNNy
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 4854

                        #26
                        Originally posted by cphilip
                        No... but notice we never limit ourselves to Mag owners? Like you just did in your comment? We attract "AO members" or even potential AO members no matter what marker they bring to these. We also involve our Angel owners. We diversify.
                        Actually I think you missed the point of his statement...We do have people who don't shoot mags at our meets. We brought LeatherPants and his gf Shannon to AO all from meeting them at a meet.

                        But I do have to agree that AGD has in effect forgotten about the West Coast (and I'm not talking about meets..you've already heard my opinion on that). I do feel that if AGD can say that they have done a horrible job of marketing their product in the past I must say that they are non-existant in certain parts of the country. We don't have a super dealer here on the West Coast (and don't even try to bring up Ditto's...Jeff is a great guy..but I'm sorry...I could do more for AGD's image than he can...).

                        I'm not doing this to whine and cry and I do think it is a testament to people like Rogue Factor who is busting his hump against a sea of cockers and various electros. If you people think you can plan something here in Cali better than we can...go right ahead...I won't complain...
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                        • Steelrat
                          I meant to...uh, nevermind
                          • May 2003
                          • 5375

                          #27
                          Dont worry about Z-man. Hes been much better on the paint since he got the SFL, due to the fact that he kept shooting himself in the leg. Its true. He did it several times, and even had the ref call him out for shooting himself.


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                          • Steelrat
                            I meant to...uh, nevermind
                            • May 2003
                            • 5375

                            #28
                            Dirtybunny, no one up here seems to carry any appealing mags. All I see is classic mags gathering dust on the walls.


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                            • DiRTyBuNNy
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 4854

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Steelrat
                              Dirtybunny, no one up here seems to carry any appealing mags. All I see is classic mags gathering dust on the walls.
                              I don't know if you didn't realize this...but i'm agreeing with you...and why spend $250 on a classic mag that shoots like garbage when you can buy an electro-Spyder for $150 that outshoots it..oh well...
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                              • Eatem Alive
                                Wait...What?
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 1150

                                #30
                                hey Steel, where do ya'll play? I would love to play with fellow mag owners. We're starting to get a few more at V.T. but not enough for my liking.
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