When is the next california tour for AGD?

[Steelrat]

I knew where you were coming from, I was just agreeing with you

[Steelrat]

Eatem, Ive posted a few times on the VT forum, you post there?

We have been playing mostly at SCP, but Frank the Spank just informed me that the compressors are in, so Im going to do everything in my power to have the next AO Norcal day there. I live in Antioch, so I may just shot up there sometime soon to play. I played there once after a 3 man tourney, and I loved the fields.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
I'm not doing this to whine and cry and I do think it is a testament to people like Rogue Factor who is busting his hump against a sea of cockers and various electros. If you people think you can plan something here in Cali better than we can...go right ahead...I won't complain...

You don't think we up against the same thing here? You think that's you guys are the only persons busting hump for AGD markers? Against a sea of others? Well then...you apparently not been to a field out here then. Or most of the rest of the country for that matter. California is not a special place in that reguard. Don't kid yourself.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

It looks like you're not understanding the point of my earlier post. I wasn't trying to say that it isn't hard everywhere but that AGD's complete lack of support for the West Coast is the reason why it is so hard for us to gain any momentum out here...you try living near Worr, Dye, WDP-USA, JT, Cobra Paintball and Bob Long and then ask people why they don't shoot mags...

[Eatem Alive]

I've been pimpin' mags at our new field since it opened (actually, since I bought my first in 1990). It seems to be easier to sway the youngin's over to the mag side because they have yet to be brainwashed. Cali is definately cocker, timmy, and with the s.c. ironmen just down the road, trix country too, but were trying. With the winter comin' up, my mechanical marker looks pretty good about now. Steel, yeah, I'm on the V.T. forum, same name. I'm supposed to help Tony set up the compressor this week. the new sup air is pretty sweet.

[Schnitzel]

some may feel that our "less than 20" showing a few meets back is less than substantial, i disagree. considering the relative number of AC-CA'ers compared to all of AO, i think we did a heck of a job gathering the people we did without any serious planning. we didnt even have to invite anybody to get the response we did. all we did was post it up in the meet&greet section. i believe it was minimal planning considering the size of the group that showed up.

we did it again a few weeks ago with even more numbers, and again...with the same strategy. it didnt even require some special offer or discount. the players came because of the commitment they hold for AGD, however small our group is.

[cphilip]

Well no I think you just have a complete wrong perspective of "support" What you term "lack of support" is purely claimed by "Tom Visits". Fact: they have been to California more than they have ever been to South Carolina. You want to look around and your gonna find other States that can claim even more of this so called "lack of support" than that. They don't pronounce that as a lack of support do they? You are equating these things in terms of recent visits to a particular state as "support" not me. That's the point. And I think it's an invalid claim to make. What my point was if you want MORE visits then do the work to get them. If you do not then fine. But don't claim AGD doesn't care about you using that criteria as your measuring stick. Because it's not true nor what we were talking about I don't think. Of should have been talking about that is.

Events for AO are seperate beasts. The author of this thread linked them right off the bat as if they were and assumes some things he should not. And several of you continued to do so. I layed a ground work of the steps it takes to get both but it seems it's not something you want to hear. In fact they are two seperate things. We want you to come out here and be a part of our event. Because you are AO. The online community. And we would all love to come to yours too. But many cannot afford that trip either way. It has nothing to do with so much AGD as much as it has to do with AO in that respect. If we get AGD to attend to then its just gravy. But it's two seperate things really.

[Steelrat]

Events for AO are seperate beasts. The author of this thread linked them right off the bat as if they were and assumes some things he should not.

Aegis and his son, LittlePaintballboy, are two of the biggest AGD fanatics I have met, and deserve a little more respect than that. All he did was ask when the next AGD spin around the sunshine site was going to be. You claim that AO and AGD are two different things, yet the event he was describing was listed on the AGD site. That alone shows a connection.

In order to get some AGD momentum going out here, we are going to need help from AO memeber in Cali AND AGD. The players cant do it on their own, and frankly shouldnt have to. Every bit of effort put out by these people is essentially free advertising for AGD. Wouldn't it be nice to show some appreciation by given 'em a little love?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by cphilip
Well no I think you just have a complete wrong perspective of "support" What you term "lack of support" is purely claimed by "Tom Visits". Fact: they have been to California more than they have ever been to South Carolina. You want to look around and your gonna find other States that can claim even more of this so called "lack of support" than that. They don't pronounce that as a lack of support do they? You are equating these things in terms of recent visits to a particular state as "support" not me. That's the point. And I think it's an invalid claim to make. What my point was if you want MORE visits then do the work to get them. If you do not then fine. But don't claim AGD doesn't care about you using that criteria as your measuring stick. Because it's not true nor what we were talking about I don't think. Of should have been talking about that is.

Events for AO are seperate beasts. The author of this thread linked them right off the bat as if they were and assumes some things he should not. And several of you continued to do so. I layed a ground work of the steps it takes to get both but it seems it's not something you want to hear. In fact they are two seperate things. We want you to come out here and be a part of our event. Because you are AO. The online community. And we would all love to come to yours too. But many cannot afford that trip either way. It has nothing to do with so much AGD as much as it has to do with AO in that respect. If we get AGD to attend to then its just gravy. But it's two seperate things really.

I don't know who you are referring to above but it better not be me because I never have stated that "visits = support"...I will flat out tell you and Tom to his face that he has no chance in California if this AGD's current marketing trend. I could care less about visits and I've said so many times before. Did AGD showup at PSP or even NPPL LA? How about Las Vegas? (and by AGD I mean the company not the man). How can you gain market share in one of the largest markets in the country (California has one of the fifth largest economies in the world) if you never try gain any? People don't shoot mags out here because AGD could care less if they did and WGP, Dye, Bob Long, and WDP are perfectly happy with AGD's (again, the company) total lack of enthusiasm. You can quote me on this..more money is spent on the sport of paintball in California than of all states of the "original 13" combined.. That's my problem with it all. California is the center of the paintball world...hate us or love us..it's the truth..and the fact that AGD the company could care less about it only means that Budd and the rest didn't steal the west coast from Tom...he never had it to begin with...and that's his loss....

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Steelrat


Aegis and his son, LittlePaintballboy, are two of the biggest AGD fanatics I have met, and deserve a little more respect than that. All he did was ask when the next AGD spin around the sunshine site was going to be. You claim that AO and AGD are two different things, yet the event he was describing was listed on the AGD site. That alone shows a connection.

In order to get some AGD momentum going out here, we are going to need help from AO memeber in Cali AND AGD. The players cant do it on their own, and frankly shouldnt have to. Every bit of effort put out by these people is essentially free advertising for AGD. Wouldn't it be nice to show some appreciation by given 'em a little love?

I am not showing him any disrespect. In fact I detailed what it takes to make it bigger. And offered to help. But it is indeed not a linked thing. Trust me. I know.

You seem to think that AGD somehow supports me in this event. Your wrong. I do it out of my own pocket. And recieve no profit. Last year I ate $250 of the cost out of my own pocket. I work for the State of SC not AGD. They do not financialy support this event at all. So maybe you should rethink where I am coming from when you start pointing out who are big supporters of AGD and all....

[cphilip]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy


I don't know who you are referring to above but it better not be me because I never have stated that "visits = support"...

Naw looking back I guess it wasn't you. It was sort of a late retort to steelrat I think. He seems to be of the opinion that its a symptom or something. At least thats the way I took his comments.

[Blennidae]

Wow, Aegis asked a simple question and it got kinda ugly.

Everyone has valid points. Looking at the turnouts for the various NorCal AO days, it has been mainly a group of friends getting together. That sort of thing is not going to bring AGD out.

On the flip side of that, if we could say "Meet Tom Kaye" the turnout might be greater. The casual AO member could care less about meeting me, but a chance to meet "the MAN" thats another story.

I'm hoping the SoCal vs. NorCal AO day goes over big. It would be nice to put some faces with the names I have been reading these past couple of years. It would be nice to have an offical AGD presence there, but if not, I wont lose any sleep. There are actually a couple of AO members I'd rather meet face to face than Tom himself.

I do agree with cphilip that to get Tom out here, we have to prove we can pull off a big AO day on our own. Think about how many people can't make one of the local ones based on their job or some other factor in their personal life on a given day. Can you honestly expect someone arrange for all the travel expenses when even the locals can't always make it?

[RoadDawg]

I'm just gonna chime in on the fact AGD (company) hasn't made much of an effort out this way. If they have made an effort it has been so minimal I didn't notice. My complaint is this. If say WGP or WDP had boards you could flash I could go to any shop out here and they'd be able to do it. Now for my Emag I have to send it either to Oregon or Illinois. As far as our past turnouts it's not only mag players. We have several Matrixes, cockers, spyders on top of the mags. Everytime I go into one of the local shops I get asked if my breed is died yet. I know cali isn't the only place not getting love for example I lived in Utah and I was one of maybe 5 or 6 of the state. I owned 2 of them. They never even see tournies there. My point though is we the people of California just wanna know are we gonna fight this battle alone or is AGD gonna help? If not why should we support a company that doesn't support us? I'll tell you why we support AGD and that is because we love their products. We love the durability. I've seen RogueFactor at more events then I've seen AGD or Ditto's (jeff I think). Which tells me that the only one that really pushes mags around here are the owners and Rogue and he's part of the owners.

Back to the original question. When is AGD planning on swinging through the sunshine state again?

[Aegis]

Re: When is the next california tour for AGD?

Can't we all just get along? What this thread was about..

Originally posted by Aegis
Us left coasters feel left out with all this talk about the SE AO day. Just happened to see the airgun.com/news today while making and order, and it referred to TK's Cali trip from March 02. Time for another spin around the sunshine state!

Did anyone read the article that I referred to? Here it is:

TOM KAYE DOES CALIFORNIA TOUR!!!
March 2002
Tom will be going to the LA NPPL in March. Nothing is set in stone yet, but he will probably do a few "meet and greets" in the LA area including Dittos and then go up to Sacramento for an AGD day at Predator Marketing. He's also figuring on a donut orgy at the NPPL tourney!
To have input into the planning, visit the Automags Online Forum.

Then This popped up:

"Events for AO are seperate beasts. The author of this thread linked them right off the bat as if they were and assumes some things he should not"

Don't quite get this last statement, but Hey, looky there, AO is the forum to discuss AGD plans according to AGD. Was that the point, or am I still missing something?

If anything I posted can be interpreted to be expecting TK to show up an a AO/Norcal day, I can't see it. How did my question get interpreted to mean that TK should drop everything and fly to east egypt to hang out with this scruffy bunch? The reference was clear, it was about an AGD trip scheduled arount a major event and an AGD day , and would that be repeated.

If TK or an AGD crew have plans to be out here for a major event, it would be nice to know. That's all. You guys need to relax.

[hitech]

Hey, how are you doing?

Originally posted by Blennidae
On the flip side of that, if we could say "Meet Tom Kaye" the turnout might be greater. The casual AO member could care less about meeting me, but a chance to meet "the MAN" that's another story.

I don't know. When he showed up in Sac. I don't remember very many people making it. I hung out with Tom most of the day and don't remember very many people from AO showing up. However, that was a long time ago in a land not so far away...

Originally posted by Blennidae
I'm hoping the SoCal vs. NorCal AO day goes over big.

So do I. However, with the baby on the way there is no way I can do much to help plan it. Hopefully those pushing it will be successful.

Originally posted by Blennidae
Think about how many people can't make one of the local ones based on their job or some other factor in their personal life on a given day. Can you honestly expect someone arrange for all the travel expenses when even the locals can't always make it?

That is a very good point. Setting the date in stone WAY in advance helps people like me plan for it. Not because I decide I'm going that far in advance, but because I can avoid planning anything else for that date. It worked for me for SE AO Day II. I didn't commit to going until about a month prior and it was a hard decision. The deciding factor was that I knew it would be a big event. With lots of AO members that I have never met. The bottom line is that it is a lot of work to plan a successful big event. Ask anyone who has done it before.