When is the next california tour for AGD?

[RoadDawg]

Ya I actually attended the NPPL meet when he was there. It was great stuff, learned more and more about mags and even got to mess around with an Xmag. Now that was almost 2 years ago mind you and he was here last year in the SoCal region at a scenario game (scenario's aren't quite appealing yet) and a store appearance but I was out of town for family reasons. I didn't know about the Sacramento deal but that's a 8+ hour drive from here so not affected.

[hitech]

Re: Re: When is the next california tour for AGD?

Originally posted by Aegis
That's all.

Feeling like your thread got hijacked?

[cphilip]

Re: Re: When is the next california tour for AGD?

Originally posted by Aegis
Can't we all just get along? What this thread was about..



Did anyone read the article that I referred to? Here it is:

TOM KAYE DOES CALIFORNIA TOUR!!!
March 2002
Tom will be going to the LA NPPL in March. Nothing is set in stone yet, but he will probably do a few "meet and greets" in the LA area including Dittos and then go up to Sacramento for an AGD day at Predator Marketing. He's also figuring on a donut orgy at the NPPL tourney!
To have input into the planning, visit the Automags Online Forum.

Then This popped up:

"Events for AO are seperate beasts. The author of this thread linked them right off the bat as if they were and assumes some things he should not"

Don't quite get this last statement, but Hey, looky there, AO is the forum to discuss AGD plans according to AGD. Was that the point, or am I still missing something?

If anything I posted can be interpreted to be expecting TK to show up an a AO/Norcal day, I can't see it. How did my question get interpreted to mean that TK should drop everything and fly to east egypt to hang out with this scruffy bunch? The reference was clear, it was about an AGD trip scheduled arount a major event and an AGD day , and would that be repeated.

If TK or an AGD crew have plans to be out here for a major event, it would be nice to know. That's all. You guys need to relax.

OH I hear ya Brother! But in that case that you cite I have to point out he was going to a major tourney. NOT an AO day! Thats my point there on that but I was not thinking you felt he should go to every one. Some others sort of intimated that, not you. And he does not because they are seperate from where he will be anyway. AO people put on AO events. AGD announces where they going. Two seperate things MOST of the time. We do not always have direct supervision and involvment with AGD in doing them. Sometimes they come, sometimes they don't. So I stand by what I was saying there. I was attempting to help you figure out how to get him to come to an AO one. If it's a Major tournament around it then I would expect it to be MUCH easier! I was just trying to help is all. Somehow it got lost in the whole shuffle!

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Blennidae
Wow, Aegis asked a simple question and it got kinda ugly.

Everyone has valid points. Looking at the turnouts for the various NorCal AO days, it has been mainly a group of friends getting together. That sort of thing is not going to bring AGD out.

On the flip side of that, if we could say "Meet Tom Kaye" the turnout might be greater. The casual AO member could care less about meeting me, but a chance to meet "the MAN" thats another story.

I'm hoping the SoCal vs. NorCal AO day goes over big. It would be nice to put some faces with the names I have been reading these past couple of years. It would be nice to have an offical AGD presence there, but if not, I wont lose any sleep. There are actually a couple of AO members I'd rather meet face to face than Tom himself.

I do agree with cphilip that to get Tom out here, we have to prove we can pull off a big AO day on our own. Think about how many people can't make one of the local ones based on their job or some other factor in their personal life on a given day. Can you honestly expect someone arrange for all the travel expenses when even the locals can't always make it?

And so far I have never been able to say Tom was coming until late in the planning of it. Long after it was unstoppable in the planning stage. But thats the risk I take. It would be better to know way in advance. But all I can do there is make sure its planned for a day he COULD come if he chose too. Thats key.

And what I was trying to do here was let you all know how you do that to make it possible for it to happen. But seems it was taken as critiism rather than helpfull tips. Not my intention at all. If It sounded that way I appologize.

[RoadDawg]

Hey phil believe it or not I took it as tips. Most are just showing that we don't have much of a turnout because AGD (the company) hasn't put there best foot forward out here. We have maybe 30+ here in SoCal. Considering we live in a area that is HIGHLY populated in the millions and only 30-40 show up shows that AGD isn't hitting the masses out this way. I know people that want mags out this way but want to buy them at a store so they know they'll get support. I do what I can and refer them to Rogue or online (rogue mainly) but they want to see it before they buy it and know they'll be able to get a parts kit without ordering it online or waiting a couple days etc. Most end up going with WGP due to the fact they at least have representation at all the stores and at the tournies.

[cphilip]

Well I am glad someone did. I might just not have phrased it well and tried to address too many people back in each reply. It was very late last night when that was going on.

Getting stores to carry it? Sheesh. That a hard one. I not certain there is a decent solution I know there. Until the popularity increases and people are asking enough and not settiling for wha the store stocks thats going to always be a problem That indeed IS an AGD issue they have to deal with. And without the independents like Rouge out there then there would be nothing. I think Paintballdaddy does carry stuff in his store but thats not covering much of a big state is it? One of the biggest things I see is that people buy something because its in stock. And so they do not buy mags due to that issue. It is a real stumbling block thats for sure. But I am not really smart enough to know the solution.

[Steelrat]

Aegis, you were better off as a lurker

Cphil, in all seriousness, I didnt infer visits=support. The thread diverted into a discussion of AGD support in the CA as a whole, and thats what I was addressing. It would be nice to have Tom out here, but that isnt going to fix the situation. It would just be nice for all the die-hard AGD fans out here

[RoadDawg]

Well I think they'd sell more if it wasn't just stock classic, or minimags. I asked a local store if I could put my ULE Emag on the wall for a couple days to see if there would be any interests but they give me the excuse of well we had a classic but it didn't sell type of thing. So I think if say a ULE RTP was up on the wall more people would be interested but then they may not. It's a risk but I do know that people complained about the weight and well that is one light marker so who knows. I do a little marketing for my work but I'm told where everything goes and I just put it there so I don't think I have answers as well. Paintballdaddy does have a shop but it's 2+ hours outside of Los Angeles so I've never been there because I have no need. Rogue who is 30 min away usually has anything I need so I go to him. Considering gas is up to 1.70 around me 2+ hour drive can really hurt the pocket book when you wanna check out a new item. It's tough to even find a mag barrel in my area so that's one reason why I made sure to go ULE body.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Steelrat
Aegis, you were better off as a lurker

Cphil, in all seriousness, I didnt infer visits=support. The thread diverted into a discussion of AGD support in the CA as a whole, and thats what I was addressing. It would be nice to have Tom out here, but that isnt going to fix the situation. It would just be nice for all the die-hard AGD fans out here

OK... I got ya.

Yea a new line of ULE stuff on the wall is gotta be the ticket. But its gotta be on the wall as you point out. Most of our first time Marker buyers are impatient and want it now! But thats not really too hard to understand really. I am kinda that way myself

[danheneise]

hey, at least us socal'ers have roguefactor near by, so we can get purdy stuff sooner than easterners

[Steelrat]

Yeah, well us Norcal'ers have the one and only Z-man, who eats sears like they were pretzels, and who has actually broken a spring while sweetspo..er, playing.

[Muzikman]

Back about a year and a half or two years ago Tom was in CA. He went to a store in the Sacramento area (plus a few other places) and I think the store drew a "few" people. I was looking for the thread, but the quick search only found the origninal thread where Tom said he was coming. Now, this thread generated a whole two pages over a 4 month time. To me it didn't seem that many people were excited about this trip.

Not to make excuses, but if Tom or AGD does make an effort to show up, I think members need to show up too, maybe?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Yes..and I'm not going to drive from San Diego to Sacramento just to see Tom...that's over 500 miles for just a shop tour..would you drive from Pittsburgh to Columbia, SC just to see Tom walk around the shop and shoot the bull with people?

I wasn't part of the planning nor did anyone really consult the people that live out here to see where the best place to visit would be for all of us...i'd rather just have AGD (the company) at least come out to the NPPL or PSP Events out here on the West Coast (CA or Las Vegas)...

[hitech]

When Tom came up to Sac. he went to the "local" field on Sunday and played. He brought some product to give away. Almost no one showed up. Probably less than ten. I was there and hung out with Tom most of the day. It wasn't a good showing. Tom put a good spin on the event anyway. Here is the thread. In there Tom listed five people who showed up at the field to play. LA did have a good showing at the tournament.

[Muzikman]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
Yes..and I'm not going to drive from San Diego to Sacramento just to see Tom...that's over 500 miles for just a shop tour..would you drive from Pittsburgh to Columbia, SC just to see Tom walk around the shop and shoot the bull with people?

I wasn't part of the planning nor did anyone really consult the people that live out here to see where the best place to visit would be for all of us...i'd rather just have AGD (the company) at least come out to the NPPL or PSP Events out here on the West Coast (CA or Las Vegas)...

Hmm...let's see...I am leaving for Clemson, SC in about 26 hours, so yes, I would travel that far