Cheater Boards (How to Stop Them)

[shartley]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


I totally agree,NO WAY FA. Try walking 15bps,while running on the break or snap shooting.FA would allow that WAY to easily and you still couldn't stop "cheaters" that go over the "Cap" based on programming.

I think the whole issue is still not "an issue".From high ROF to really high ROF is not a critical difference in most cases.Just not that big a deal.

Jay.
Long live gravity only hoppers!!

I agree. But I will keep my Revvy on my RTP thanks.

But I am going pump this year to add a different dimension to my game.

[Jack & Coke]

- Full Auto

- Minimum 4 lb. trigger pull (easily checked using a weight and some string)

- Limited Paint (4 pods max)

[Muzikman]

Someone hit on something that might work, but not with todays standards. Years ago I use to race R/C Cars at the national level. In the "Stock" class you purchased a motor at check in that you had to run. The motor cap and bell housing were both marked to prevent tampering. For paintball this would be replaceable chips. If you made all electro guns operate with the same code and the same board, you could hand out one chip to each person playing. With the cost of chips, this wouldn't raise the entry fee too much and it would be a pretty good way to prevent the "cheater boards". The only thing you would have to do is have the marker manufacturers agree on a board.

[Torbo]

january ed. of facefull had a very similar article.....

anyway. FA is dangerous off the field more than on the field. And i agree, bouncy board or not, its still gonna take much more skill to run and shoot, or walk as fast as you can just holding down the trig. As for goggles, how about those new JT helmet masks? Id never wear one myself, but theres the option.

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Muzikman
If you made all electro guns operate with the same code and the same board, you could hand out one chip to each person playing. With the cost of chips, this wouldn't raise the entry fee too much and it would be a pretty good way to prevent the "cheater boards". The only thing you would have to do is have the marker manufacturers agree on a board.

Different guns need different code.

Solenoid pulse times vary greatly even within one specific gun model. Then you have the issue of one or two solenoid guns. Intellifeed and warp pulses also.


Making semi only boards from the manufacturer required for tournament play was tried. It failed.

[Muzikman]

Since the base operation of most electonic guns can fall in a few different standards. You would use a few different supplied chips. Really, to standardize on a few boards would not be all that hard.

[SlartyBartFast]

Well, at least the discussion came back round to my initial idea.

Originally posted by nippinout
Different guns need different code.
Solenoid pulse times vary greatly even within one specific gun model. Then you have the issue of one or two solenoid guns. Intellifeed and warp pulses also.

Not true. Do you really think that WAS boards have huge
development in programming?

If you were to have tournament issued chips, they could be programmed with standard programme and the few required varables for gun type and allowable user modifications set by a marshal.

For a standard chip, all the manufacturers would need to do is agree on the pinout configuration for inputs and outputs.

But, you could have any number of approved software. It would just be an issue of having manufactueres agree to having the source examined. Multiple chip types could easily be acomodated as well by using a univarsal programmer.

[FreshmanBob]

The problems not wether or not you can standerize boards, but who makes all the money off those boards? If its one persons design (say WAS), then he'll get more money than whoevers manufacturing it, whereas other board companies won't see any of that money.

Picking 1 standerized board is a monopoly and unfair to the competition.

[fallout11]

Just limit the ammo

I'm with Cledford on this one, the easiest solution to the problem is forget about regulating the technology or enforcing the unenforcable.

Just limit each player to 600 rounds walk-on ammo. Period.
You can share with your teammates, but when you're out, your out.
Time to learn a little fire discipline.

And I'm sorry, but there is NO discernable difference between someone shooting 15bps bursts and full-auto.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by AGD
Formula one with their millions of dollars couldn't stop cheater software for race cars, I doubt we will be able to do better.

AGD

I agree. With such an importance and high demand placed on a high ROF, it just cant be stopped. You can try to limit it, and check it, but the resources and time needed is just not there for any given tourney.

[Muzikman]

Originally posted by FreshmanBob
The problems not wether or not you can standerize boards, but who makes all the money off those boards? If its one persons design (say WAS), then he'll get more money than whoevers manufacturing it, whereas other board companies won't see any of that money.

Picking 1 standerized board is a monopoly and unfair to the competition.

That's not true. For something to be standard, does not mean it can not be make by different companies. It just means that it has to follow a standard set of rules when it comes to the chip. Hell, for the non tournament days, you can make the board do what ever you want. When you get to the event, you pop out your chip and insert the chip that was given to you by the event.

A food example of stadards are PCs. There are MANY video card mfg's out there, but they all use a standard that will allow them to work in all "current" PCs.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Well, at least the discussion came back round to my initial idea.



Not true. Do you really think that WAS boards have huge
development in programming?

If you were to have tournament issued chips, they could be programmed with standard programme and the few required varables for gun type and allowable user modifications set by a marshal.

For a standard chip, all the manufacturers would need to do is agree on the pinout configuration for inputs and outputs.

But, you could have any number of approved software. It would just be an issue of having manufactueres agree to having the source examined. Multiple chip types could easily be acomodated as well by using a univarsal programmer.

Sorry,but it's NEVER going to happen that way.It's way to time consuming and to costly over all.Look at the chaos right before a big Tourny,everyone getting chrono'd last minute tweaks and confusion.Could you imaging unscrewing grip panels,swapping chips,software failures and debugging.And then what,either having to track down all the chips as they come off the field and getting them to the next group ,undamaged and intact.
And if you don't install them just prior to going on the field,your back in the same boat of counterfit chips and altered software,cause you know someone will get out with one of the chips in their pocket and then your done.
Not to mention,no more testing your gun before the game with any real reliability,cause you'll never now what the "official" software is going to do till it's to late.

Just no way,never going to happen like that.

Jay.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


Sorry,but it's NEVER going to happen that way.It's way to time consuming and to costly over all.Look at the chaos right before a big Tourny,everyone getting chrono'd last minute tweaks and confusion.Could you imaging unscrewing grip panels,swapping chips,software failures and debugging.And then what,either having to track down all the chips as they come off the field and getting them to the next group ,undamaged and intact.
And if you don't install them just prior to going on the field,your back in the same boat of counterfit chips and altered software,cause you know someone will get out with one of the chips in their pocket and then your done.
Not to mention,no more testing your gun before the game with any real reliability,cause you'll never now what the "official" software is going to do till it's to late.

Just no way,never going to happen like that.

Jay.

Yeah, you're exactly right. Theres no way to keep such a tight seal on the matter, without totally disrupting the way things run now. Theres no way I would trust putting some "foreign" chip into my gun, and expect that it will work every time.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
- Full Auto
- Minimum 4 lb. trigger pull (easily checked using a weight and some string)
- Limited Paint (4 pods max)

[Muzikman]

Re: Just limit the ammo

Originally posted by fallout11
I'm with Cledford on this one, the easiest solution to the problem is forget about regulating the technology or enforcing the unenforcable.

Just limit each player to 600 rounds walk-on ammo. Period.
You can share with your teammates, but when you're out, your out.
Time to learn a little fire discipline.

And I'm sorry, but there is NO discernable difference between someone shooting 15bps bursts and full-auto.

Seeing as most of your events make their money off paint, there is no way this will happen.