Speed Check/ W.A.S.

[WickedAirSportz]

Geez... for once Manike is on my side of the fence.

Let's face it, the marker technology is great now days compared to even just a year ago. I agree with Manike that we simply can not go backwards, we must move forward with technology if the sport is going to continue to evolve. If we could be shooting low energy plasma balls instead of paintball (that sure would end the cheating aspect) we would!

I think that the deliberate use of trigger bounce to obtain a higher rate of fire is a chicken **** way to play. If you aren't man enough to pull the trigger yourself, you should be a water boy. Markers will respond as fast as YOU can shoot. Work on your shooting skills if you can't handle being slow.

Illegal triggers should be banned... simple as that. Be a man (or woman) and rise to the occassion and play fair.

We have a debounce control to allow markers to become legal, when they otherwise could not be without changing the characteristics of the trigger. Some people like short triggers, and if we can let our customers have the trigger feel that they want AND still be completely legal, I would say that we are doing a service to our customers.

[hitech]

WAS,
You didn't come out and actually say it. Do you actively support:

11.4 Any marker which can be made to fire without applying a foce external to the marker directly to it's trigger is illegal

[WickedAirSportz]

Sure I did... illegal triggers should be banned.

I think the trigger needs to be pulled, not hit, struck, rubbed on, or any other variation. I think a genuine pull and release should be required.

Even when I am walking a trigger, I am pulling and releasing the trigger with each finger.

There is going to be an amendment shortly about the roller triggers that some are starting to use, where there is a roller bearing in the middle of trigger (between the two finger resting points). People are stroking the trigger up and down, and not pulling and releasing it. I think this should be illegal.

[hitech]

Great. Your going farther that I am suggesting, but that's not a problem. And I even have one of those rollers.

[manike]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
I think this should be illegal.

Why?

Not trying to limit development and the future technology are you?

As long as it fits within the rules and is safe then it should be allowed.

Next thing you will be saying single finger triggers only and no 'walking'...

A trigger pull is defined as applying and releasing a force on the trigger.

Stroking up and down the trigger does this.

The main reasons to stop FA and burst modes was not to do with rof but to do with accidental discharges and double accidental blindings.

If people find ways to get faster rof safely and within the rules I'm all in favour of it.

[WickedAirSportz]

The roller fires two shots, not one... and that is the problem I have with it.

[manike]

Nope, it fires one shot for every application and release of force on the trigger... don't make me draw free body diagrams for you

You can do it with just about any double trigger. Not just ones with rollers.

[hitech]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
The roller fires two shots, not one... and that is the problem I have with it.

It only fires once per pull and release. It just allowes you to pull and release in two directions instead of one. Walking allowes you to fire twice also. Once per each finger.

[WickedAirSportz]

What about when there are two roller bearings, one at each "point" of the dual trigger? This in fact does fire twice each direction of the trigger stroke.

[manike]

Yep but it still only fires once for each application and release of force...

So it's legal.

And you can again get the same effect with a normal double trigger. I can get one shot on the nub going down, one shot on the bottom of the trigger and then one shot going up using the standard dragon trigger on my intimidator with NO trigger mods at all...

It's a completely stock trigger set up.

I don't think any rules that try to control 'how' someone pulls a trigger can ever be sensibly made or implemented by judges.

It's too open to judges discretion and how they see it which is a VERY BAD way to have a rule.

[hitech]

Hey manike, shouldn't you be asleep?!

[manike]

Originally posted by hitech
Hey manike, shouldn't you be asleep?!

Yep. But then I have never been good at doing things I 'should'

I do some of my best stuff late at night. I'm also hanging in the chat party.

[hitech]

I thought you left after Tom introduced you. Hope you don't have to get up early!

[manike]

Nope still there...

I'll get up as required.

[Digger]

How does the WAS board work in the GZ Intimidator, since the GZ does not have the LCD to control it.