Recall on 4.00 Beta

[OfficerGoat]

Sorry guys... between work, working on a car and working on a server I havent had much time to post.

So you know what my deal is ... I'm shooting an emag with one of the newer versions of the software... 4.01. The behavior I get is if I shoot a fast string the gun will sometimes go full auto run away.(I.E. it fires without the trigger pulled... =VERY BAD) Even with air and paint.

I have pretty much worked out what is going on and have been able to significantly reduce but not eliminate this issue. (I used to be able to make the gun go FA at will with less than three pulls.. now it takes a lot of roping on the gun to get it to happen) I have several experiments I want to conduct on this... and when I do come up with a solution that I think will work .. I'll let you know

Anyone got some spare emag parts they want to donate to science? heh

[USAF-Flyboy with a Mag]

Isn't that just the shot buffering discharging the gun from shots it had stored in the buffer? Or are you saying that u start walking the trigger..and after u get a string going u will hold the trigger back and it will just continue to stay in run away?

[Miscue]

Originally posted by USAF-Flyboy with a Mag
Isn't that just the shot buffering discharging the gun from shots it had stored in the buffer? Or are you saying that u start walking the trigger..and after u get a string going u will hold the trigger back and it will just continue to stay in run away?

No. It's an issue with the solenoid triggering the HES on its own.

[USAF-Flyboy with a Mag]

Originally posted by Miscue


No. It's an issue with the solenoid triggering the HES on its own.

Okay so an EMI issue...Jim and I should finally get a chance to check some stuff out this weekend on our guns and some emi supression measures.

[jeffremiller]

So could this be fixed by redesigning the little plastic HES enclosure with a similiar part, shielded on three sides?

If so, what makes a decent magnetic barrier? other than lead....

J_

[Swede X-mag]

[Joni]

[miked]

just a little food for thought... I recently worked on a magnetic pickup at work. The one I worked on is used with the tachometer of a helicopter. when an iron object passes in front of the sensor it generates a current on the wires and ultimately creates a signal across a resistor. I don't know what the HES is in actuality but I do know that if its resistively terminated on the board end any current or noise spike can cause a trigger condition. in other words if a high current source like the solenoid were to trigger you could theoretically couple noise onto the HES wires and cause a second trigger which activates the solenoid and ultimately creates a never ending loop. just a question but has anyone tried rerouting some of their wires and make sure that the solenoid wires are away from every other wire and don't drag across the circuits. I deal with a lot of sensitive circuits that don't like noise and wire routing and circuit layout are both big contributors. If someone at AGD has an oscilliscope and can put a gun into an FA condition they should be able to watch the HES signal and see if its sensing all these shots or if its a software issue.

[Miscue]

No, it's not the software... although it creates conditions that aggravate the hardware problems. It's definitely an EMI issue with the HES picking it up. The solenoid's field triggers the HES in place of the trigger magnet.

[SeeK]

Since everybody wants to know how a HES works this is this is the most graphic explaination I've been able to find:

http://www.micronas.com/products/overview/sensors/index.php#packages

This article mentions different types of Hall Effect Sensors but I don't have my X-Mag to read the label off of the HES to see what features it has but maybe some of these Offset compensation principals can be written into the code.

http://www.micronas.com/products/overview/sensors/index.php#offset

The other alternatives would be to replace the HES block with a shielding material (ie. metalic coated plastic?), shielded HES cable, or a toroid core or ferrite beads.

http://www.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm

[Army]

If it helps any, neither Q1.1, nor 4.0, has given me any trouble at all. I am more than pleased with the program as it is.

[SkyBoySurfer]

I loved Q 1.1 even with the bug in it...4.00 is defetly awsome for turnes....I think Q1.1 is a hell of a lot better than 3.2...I hate 3.2 for a passion...i want at least Q1.1 back

AGD needs to Ok Q1.1 at least for the codeing...I swear.



but thats my opinion I could be wrong

[Rope a Dope]

So when is da new software gonna be out? 4.0, Q 1.1? I feel the need.. the need for SPEED!

[billmi]

Originally posted by jeffremiller
So could this be fixed by redesigning the little plastic HES enclosure with a similiar part, shielded on three sides?

If so, what makes a decent magnetic barrier? other than lead....

J_

Generally, magnetic shielding consists of setting up oppsing magnetic fields - which creates a problem when you are trying to allow a field to affect the sensor.

Lead won't sheild from magnetism.

[jeffremiller]

Interesting... I haven't had this problem. But then again, I wear an aluminum foil hat to keep the aliens and the government from reading my thoughts.

I knew that would come in handy one day.

J_