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[Ronin 23]

Limited paint.

In reality and in practice, the amount of paint thrown is dependent on many factors. Field size, playing styles, and game situation being some of these factors.

But if we're trying to garner industry support, it would be easier and far more appealing for the industry to get behind an 'unlimited paint' event.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Re: Limited paint.

Originally posted by Ronin 23
But if we're trying to garner industry support, it would be easier and far more appealing for the industry to get behind an 'unlimited paint' event.

You could limit the paint per game and use a tourny format where you play way more games.

Or you could get more points for shooting less paint. i.e. You're penalized 5 pts. for every empty pod after the game.

Just brain storming.

[hitech]

Originally posted by cphilip
Go mechanical but LIMIT PAINT AND RETURN THE SKILL!!!!...It's the key to getting...the old guys back into the tournament scene and getting skill back into the game along with Mechanical Markers.

I have to admit, limited paint, on the order of 4 pods (140 rounders) plus hopper would make it more appealing to me.

[hardr0ck68]

how about bonus points for being under on paint usage? You can bring as much paint on to the feild as you like, but the refs count and collect used pods (stiff penalties of course for tryin to hide used pods). for example limit of 3 pods per player to make the bonus. If a 3 man team uses a total of 9 pods then they get a +5 point bonus, for every pod under they get another 2 or 3 points, so if they max with 10 pods they get 100, if they max with 0 pods they get 120 or something like that. It would add another important skill to the game. But only the winning team is able to get the bonus, if you use and the team only used one pod then they get no cookie!! LOSERS GET NO COOKIE!! and next, Mech only would count out perhaps 30% of the lower to mid tourny players. I do not know of a serious tourny player who doesnt own either an active or "retired" mech gun. The old war horse who was put out to pasture because 12 year-olds with a cheater gun can out shoot the veteran with his old girl....and i know that anyone with a old warhorse like that would LOVE to bring her back into the game!! and so, in a much needed conclusion count me in Mel, and im SURE Violator will all be killin thugs there!

[TNS2k2]

Originally posted by Crimson_Turkey
I would kill to show off my new high end mech gun at this place. .5mm trigger length and 2.5oz weight. Perfect oppertunity to get people to drool again.

And i would love to pick up the "TNS Phoenix" while i am down there...... muahahaha

[Cryer]

Well, dammit... Just bought an emag...


but, uh...Yeah, sounds fun. I can just take the battery out, right?

[breg]

Hmmmm... This bear some further thought.
This would be interesting. I would totally be down for this, execpt for one thing: I'm soon to be in another country for at least 15 months.
But, I have a few questions:

1. Define what electronics, if any could be allowed on the field. (i.e. Hoppers, Timers, Radios, Warps, etc.)

2. A definiton of what markers would be permissable (address the whole trigger bounce before it becomes an issue... again)

This would be really interesting because, now you don't need a million dollar marker to compete. And I like the whole idea of a limit on paint. That could put some thought back into the whole thing...

[cphilip]

Mel, I do not think the industry is going to balk at limited paint under the circumstances and purposes I am proposing. I think they need to be educated as to why we would think its nessicary. But I suspect most of them will see it immediately. I mean its worth a trial ballon at least. And the kind of generous limit I propose is not going to scare anyone off. In fact I predict it will get wide support. I think four or five pods is generous. And its almost unlimited really. but its a key element. I forsee quicker games. And I forsee larger entry numbers. There will be almost as much paint used in these tournaments.

X Ball? well....Yes...but I was not certain we were always talking X Ball here. I forsaw Three, Five and 7 man speed ball events too.

[Barfly]

well electric hoppers are a must in my opinion, because you are going to chop like mad without LX and some guns don't have anti-chopping capabilities

[RayU]

Originally posted by cphilip
I think four or five pods is generous. And its almost unlimited really. but its a key element. I forsee quicker games.

Heh. Those of us who play pump games would even laugh at 4 or 5 pods! In PumpLeague (3-man tourney in TX) many of us don't even carry pods, just what's in our hopper! The games are 5 minutes, center flag. Still fast action games, and most of the time I've still got lots of paint left in my hopper. No, it's not from being shot out early.

When we play rec all-pump games, sometimes semi-auto people ask if they can join us. We say, "Sure! But we play hopper-ball. Wanna still play?" Sometimes they hesitate. We respect those who admit that they may be depending on firepower more than skill. At least they're honest.

Limited paint play encourages skill and movement than depending only on shear firepower. If everyone is limited to the same amount of paint, skill becomes more important than equipment.

Just think - if everyone was limited to only 20 balls each - the super accurate snap shooter and the ballsy moves players would dominate, not the twitchy finger.

[Toxic Dave]

Limited paint really isn't a big thing unless you are playing ten-man or maybe seven. The majority of X-ball/ 5-man players don't carry more than 2 tubes these days, and that's with them using any gun they want.

It's an interesting concept, I don't know if it'll take over the world, but anything with a weird twist is fun.

dave

[Ronin 23]

Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates
Well, my RTP is sick of playing second banana to my E-Mag, so I'm down for it. I like cphilips idea of limited paint.

Anyone in the Ocean County area feel like putting a mech team together?

Hang-out at PBX Battlezone and I'm sure you can hook up with some like-minded players.

[Tyger]

Random thought.

Could it be that the ROF war is based on not wanting to be "dropped" out of the game?

Hang on, let me say this. If the players who have based thier game / style on high ROF suddenly have to re-learn the game to snapshooting and movement (limited paint), they're basically dropped from the face of the game.

So to stay "in" the game, they have to get higher ROF guns, higher ROF play, and they can then exclude all the players who can't keep up on the trigger, but may excell / exceed thier skills elsewhere?

Does that make sense?

-Tyger

[JEDI]

Ahhhhhh!!!... Limited paint...NOT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION ...head going to explode!!! Spock...what... the hell...is going on here?

Drop the limited paint idea. If unlimited paint is not your bag, then respectfully bow out of this one. No one shows up to your goofy rec ball games and says "Limited camo, too much camo takes away from the skill." "I mean, being hidden is sooo overrated"

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[Ronin 23]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68

how about bonus points for being under on paint usage? You can bring as much paint on to the feild as you like, but the refs count and collect used pods (stiff penalties of course for tryin to hide used pods)............ It would add another important skill to the game. But only the winning team is able to get the bonus, if you use and the team only used one pod then they get no cookie!!.... I do not know of a serious tourny player who doesnt own either an active or "retired" mech gun. The old war horse who was put out to pasture because 12 year-olds with a cheater gun can out shoot the veteran with his old girl....and i know that anyone with a old warhorse like that would LOVE to bring her back into the game!!

Originally posted by cphilip
Mel, I do not think the industry is going to balk at limited paint under the circumstances and purposes I am proposing. I think they need to be educated as to why we would think its nessicary. But I suspect most of them will see it immediately. I mean its worth a trial ballon at least. And the kind of generous limit I propose is not going to scare anyone off. In fact I predict it will get wide support. I think four or five pods is generous. And its almost unlimited really. but its a key element. I forsee quicker games. And I forsee larger entry numbers. There will be almost as much paint used in these tournaments.

Point well taken! You both have an extremely valid point and make a very compelling case for them.

I'm just kinda stuck on being against the Pan-Am Limited Paint thing.

But 3-5 pods PLUS your hopper....well that's what I usually hit the field with anyway.