To Tom Kaye..... unleash the HAMMER

[cphilip]

Originally posted by bertmcmahan
I'd love a tourney like this, I just hope I can make it.
[hopes for a northern southeast location]

I think by Global we are talking regional and so yea. There would be a push to start up in all regions. Several of them in each region. I not certain what Mel proposes but I assume he is thinking that way. And if so then we have the local field owners associations that I am certain would love to do this. These things are BYOP anyway. So they could care less!

With all the talk of Limiting rates of fire and limiting the ability for the marker to Q shots and spit out more paint... you are already doing exactly where I was heading with the limited paint. YOU ARE LIMITING PAINT! Thats what your doing! And you know that people are going to get around that in one way or another even with Mechanicals. So what I proposed pretty much keeps the playing field level even if you figure a way around the limitations of the marker and all that. The Roller trigger is an example of that. I betcha you will see them agian in this Mechanical marker scene. No need to. But then again if they want to do it... with limited paint....so be it! They got no more than you do! See the point?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Wc Keep
i know it takes more skill to snap shoot someone out than it does rope someone down. but if you are trying to organize a tournament and advertise it to the masses, ie put it on television, than you need to have the most exciting things going on. people are going to wanna see more of the good bunker moves and great movement on the field while narrowly avoiding being shot than someone just walk off the field because they were just snapped out.

And I say they will. I say all the things now occuring will still happen.

Do me this favor.... Next time you guys practice. Carry only three pods. I mean each game. All day. At the end of the day tell me you have not had to think more and move more to win. Practice that way all day. The first game you will not like it. You will be tempted to say screw this. But I betcha if you give it a chance at the end of the day you will be a better player. Just give it a chance. Its a very tried and true practice method and it works.

We practice our kids with ONE pod and a hopper some days. All day long. Then when they get in a game they do exceptionaly well. They got unlimited paint then and rarely shoot three pods or four. And they will tell you it makes them better players. Try it.

[Wc Keep]

Originally posted by cphilip


And I say they will. I say all the things now occuring will still happen.

Do me this favor.... Next time you guys practice. Carry only three pods. I mean each game. All day. At the end of the day tell me you have not had to think more and move more to win. Practice that way all day. The first game you will not like it. You will be tempted to say screw this. But I betcha if you give it a chance at the end of the day you will be a better player. Just give it a chance. Its a very tried and true practice method and it works.

We practice our kids with ONE pod and a hopper some days. All day long. Then when they get in a game they do exceptionaly well. They got unlimited paint then and rarely shoot three pods or four. And they will tell you it makes them better players. Try it.

its been a while since youve seen me play phil and ive changed my playin style a lot in recent times. ive gone to only carrying 2-3 pods and am shooting only about a hopper a game (and getting 1 or 2 elimins).

[cledford]

I like the idea of counting paint AFTER the game. Count the pods that go out (must be standard size) Count the pods that come back in full, assign points for the better kill ratio.

-Calvin

[cphilip]

Thats certainly a concept that can be worked with. All Ideas are good Ideas here. That might be a little more work for the refs an scorer. If you check and make sure they just got say five pods on you do not care what they carry off. But I see the point of rewarding kill ratio. Could be very interesting. But like you said you MUST count them on and off. Because some player some day is gonna burry a empty pod or toss it over the fence or something.


Another thing here is that if you use the rules as NPPL has them and modify them there was nothing against "leaving" paint. If you got your front guy carrying five to then he can drop a few on the break behind the stand up and go on with three.... and so you can still distribute paint if you will. That even adds another strategy to the game that is often not used anymore. Brings that back.

[InexactMelissa]

It sounds like there are a lot of good ideas out there that all emphasize quality instead of quantity. I particularly like the idea of awarding extra points for the number of full pods that come off the field.

So a possible scenario would be to have each team start the tourney with X amount of paint - then they could take their leftover plus an allowance for X amount more into the next round of eliminations, etc. I could hear the commentary now..."Here's Team Z coming off the field now, and that's 12 pods of *Acme* Brand Paintballs they will be taking with them into the next round."

You could get really complicated with something like that and do it on a point system, ie 10 credits for each full pod off the field, -10 for each guy with a halo, +20 for a dude with a pump, -20 for each additional case of paint, etc. But that's a whole lotta rules, and I haven't even got XBall completely figured out yet :)

It could go on and on...but regardless of the rules, I'd be interested to watch a tournament that I could respect the players for their skills, hope to learn something from, and enjoy a good game.

[Ronin 23]

Originally posted by InexactMelissa
It could go on and on...but regardless of the rules, I'd be interested to watch a tournament that I could respect the players for their skills, hope to learn something from, and enjoy a good game.

Amen....

[xrancid_milkx]

Originally posted by JEDI
...some guy doing the superman into the snake with "plink - plink - plink". You're gonna scream your head off, and send gellatinous fury his way, making him wish he was lower than the carpet he's lying on.

This mad me grin because it pretty much describes my style of play. And I enjoy that style of play very much


I would love the idea of a mech tourny, but I'm not hip on limited paint.

I used to play Stock Class, so limited paint isn't new to me, and its actually something I enjoy. Just not in a tournament.

[Toxic Dave]

The only thing I would see being different in the games would be that movement would be easier, being as the streams of paint would less dense(fewer balls in the air at at time, etc.) Most of the really good players would still be really good players in this format, heck most of these guys were using mech guns 3 years ago or so.

The ROF issue has nothing to do with people's game being dropped, etc. It comes down to this, getting an edge. If a team has markers that shoot significantly faster than another, it is very hard for the second team to control firing lanes, thus it is very hard to shoot, meaning it is very hard to shoot people out. The only time ROF provides an advantage is when rof capabilities are different, if it is the same, then your skills still need to be sharp to shoot people out. The top level players are still very good shots and move very well etc. they just need to use high end guns to compete with the other high end guns.

As for the Viewloader ad with Kevin "SK" Bredthauer(sp?) from Dynasty saying he shoots 2700 or whatever shots a game, and somebody claimed that he must be bad shot and not a good player....um he's a KEY player on Dynasty, and tends to pull out more games in an event than most of us will our lifetimes, they guy's an awesome player, just because he shoots alot doesn't mean anything, give that kid a pump gun and I'm sure he'll still school most teams.

dave

[Tyger]

Originally posted by JEDI

Tourney ball, "speedball" is fast. A guy can move on you, and be in and out of your site in half a second. You're not going to get some guy doing the superman into the snake with "plink - plink - plink". You're gonna scream your head off, and send gellatinous fury his way, making him wish he was lower than the carpet he's lying on.

You shoulda seen "Use your Illusion" pump tournament before Shatnerball 1 then. It was NOT a laid-back event. In all reality, I trashed a pair of pants playing in it (My old urban cammies). Why? I slid flat out on their gravel speedball court while dodging paint from 3 guys, who all saw me there. Was it intense? YES. Was it volume shooting? No, it was 3 guys doing it. And that was the factor in winning that particular game too.

Point is that I think that you can have an exciting game with lower tech, limited paint, and all that jazz. I mean, you shoulda seen Total Greif 1 and 2 play each other... they were out for BLOOD. No rollovers at all.

All high firepower, fun to play. All low firepower, fun to play. I think there's room to run divisions, like motocross (125, 250...) I still think the NPPL / SUper 7 should run a trial for a year, a pump division, a mechanical division, and an open division. And TRY it. They'd fill, without really making it too much a burden on themselves.

-Tyger

[1stdeadeye]

Sweet.

Looks like a lot of fun. Time to break out the old R/T Classic.

As for ropes of paint, Keep you need to shot my R/T I can lay some nice streams of paint with it!

[Creative Mayhem]

Originally posted by Tyger


You shoulda seen "Use your Illusion" pump tournament before Shatnerball 1 then. It was NOT a laid-back event. In all reality, I trashed a pair of pants playing in it (My old urban cammies). Why? I slid flat out on their gravel speedball court while dodging paint from 3 guys, who all saw me there. Was it intense? YES. Was it volume shooting? No, it was 3 guys doing it. And that was the factor in winning that particular game too.

Point is that I think that you can have an exciting game with lower tech, limited paint, and all that jazz. I mean, you shoulda seen Total Greif 1 and 2 play each other... they were out for BLOOD. No rollovers at all.

All high firepower, fun to play. All low firepower, fun to play. I think there's room to run divisions, like motocross (125, 250...) I still think the NPPL / SUper 7 should run a trial for a year, a pump division, a mechanical division, and an open division. And TRY it. They'd fill, without really making it too much a burden on themselves.

-Tyger

I couldnt agree more Tyger. I think there should be divisions, at least at a trial basis for the time being. I'm not sure how many player today really know what a pump is, but the mech division could very well take off. I for one, would jump at the opportunity to play in that division. Me and the PPE could do wonders

When I was coming up and all there was were cockers and mags(and tippy's) there was a lot more movement and much more strategy involved, not just covering every nook and cranny of the field with cases of paint. Don't get me wrong, I too, like to shoot mass amounts of paint from time to time(hence the reason for the XMag)... but it is DEFINATELY not the end all be all of paintball. Simply put, there just has to be more to the game than just "spray and pray"

[ogre55]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
how about bonus points for being under on paint usage? You can bring as much paint on to the feild as you like, but the refs count and collect used pods (stiff penalties of course for tryin to hide used pods). for example limit of 3 pods per player to make the bonus. If a 3 man team uses a total of 9 pods then they get a +5 point bonus, for every pod under they get another 2 or 3 points, so if they max with 10 pods they get 100, if they max with 0 pods they get 120 or something like that. It would add another important skill to the game. But only the winning team is able to get the bonus, if you use and the team only used one pod then they get no cookie!! LOSERS GET NO COOKIE!! and next, Mech only would count out perhaps 30% of the lower to mid tourny players. I do not know of a serious tourny player who doesnt own either an active or "retired" mech gun. The old war horse who was put out to pasture because 12 year-olds with a cheater gun can out shoot the veteran with his old girl....and i know that anyone with a old warhorse like that would LOVE to bring her back into the game!! and so, in a much needed conclusion count me in Mel, and im SURE Violator will all be killin thugs there!

The problem with this method is that it brings one more potential cheat into the game. Why bother. Either limit paint or don't, but keep the format as close to "normal tourny paintball" as possible so that there is no leaning curve for anyone entering and no additional headaches for the refs.

Ogre

[Athius]

Is this televised tournament get to be done please make it possible to be able to see it in ESPN or ESPN2!!!

[la690]

slow down...

cutting away from the limited paint convo. for a second...
who is hosting this? (do they have the resources? are they in a position to gain industry support?)
how will it be advertised and
how will it be seen all over the globe?
it would be important to know this type of stuff before everbody starts making up rules. ronin, i would post this on PBN too.