I just have something to say about all the BPS talk

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Ok, reading almost all of these threads I hear more and more people complaining about how fast certin markers shoot. Why do all of you think it is necessary to limit how fast a player can shoot? To me, it sounds like MOST people that complain about how fast Intimidators, matrixs, etc. shoot are people that can not afford these markers/playing styles. Also, I support a mech only tournement, but it seems MOST of you bash non-mech users. Frankly I chose not to use a mech. marker because it give me a better advantage to shoot faster. So in closing, if you have a problem with fast shooting markers, I'm sorry, but they are not going away anytime soon. They will just continue to get faster and make the sport more competive which I think is great. So if you are only downing electro markers because you can't afford one or afford the playing style, please stop.

[painball]

I completely agree with all you said.

[03vert]

good point and anything over 15 seems like overkill to me. i mean im trying to sell my gun because i cant afford that much paint anymore at all. electro's will keep getting faster untill there is nothing to feed them. also not many people can yank out of a mech much more than 17. the fastest that i have ever heard coming out of a mech cocker is 23. but then again why did the army utalize the Bar or the thompson(s)? more fire power right. we all know that we would rather dodge 4 balls than 14. just my thoughts on bps and electros.

[mag-hatter]

ha not true because anyone can afford an electro these days its just they choose not to because its THEIR DAMN CHOICE! its not fun to have a mech and to shoot against these bratty little sack of crap with 3002349023094 dollar guns it just isnt. in closing, i think they should cap all boards at 13 again its getting outrageous how fast these things can go now a days (oh by the way i've owned nothing but electro for 2 years now im just giving the other side an argument). just think, 13 balls a second thats freakin nuts....why would you need to shoot any faster?

[Brophog]

We've had 5 threads worth of reasons for supporting our arguments.

Why don't you try reading them first. If you still don't understand, write them down. I'm sure cost was not one of them.

If we thought that 9 gillion balls a second were a good idea, we'd go buy a marker capable of that. Most of the people arguing for a limit already own many, many more than 1 marker.

We're capable of doing everything that needs to be done in paintball with a high end marker in the range of 15-17 bps. We've been over that.

Please read the posts. Then once you have done that, and summarized our reasons, we'll continue to spoonfeed the information for you.

[Lohman446]

Re: I just have something to say about all the BPS talk

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
Ok, reading almost all of these threads I hear more and more people complaining about how fast certin markers shoot. Why do all of you think it is necessary to limit how fast a player can shoot? To me, it sounds like MOST people that complain about how fast Intimidators, matrixs, etc. shoot are people that can not afford these markers/playing styles. Also, I support a mech only tournement, but it seems MOST of you bash non-mech users. Frankly I chose not to use a mech. marker because it give me a better advantage to shoot faster. So in closing, if you have a problem with fast shooting markers, I'm sorry, but they are not going away anytime soon. They will just continue to get faster and make the sport more competive which I think is great. So if you are only downing electro markers because you can't afford one or afford the playing style, please stop.

I don't normally complain about the 15yr old out there with $1,500 marker shooting 3 cases a day. Frankly I was, am a spoiled brat and it would be rather hypocritical of me. Then I get a condescending attitude about it - that could get rather annoying.

I don't want to hear about I make my own money either on this, the above was a statement, not meant to be personally insulting. If you do not pay your own rent, food, bills you are getting help. Don't be offended, ocassionally you have to agree with some people.

A lot of us who use mechs use them because that is what we feel most comfortably with - I like it better than any of the elctros I have shot. I shoot a lot of paint in the days I play. I, and a lot of others, can afford that play style, we choose not to.

I look at the use of limits - what good is shooting 100BPS - your fingers simply cannot do it with presently legal triggers. Most people shooting markers that can do 30BPS (maybe - lets nto get into if any marker can do this well) upgraded from a marker that went at 15BPS and couldn't have hit 13BPS.

I am not in favor of BPS limits - I think them unproductive (if you abhore the loss of tactics play stock). I also think them techincally impossible to enforce. However, I do get sick of peopel telling me about how fast there marker is - I simply do not care.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
ha not true because anyone can afford an electro these days its just they choose not to because its THEIR DAMN CHOICE!

Yes, you are right it as there choice. It is also my choice to shoot a electro, I have just as much right to shoot what I want as you do.

its not fun to have a mech and to shoot against these bratty little sack of crap with 3002349023094 dollar guns it just isnt.

Why does someone have to to be bratty or a "sack of crap" because they shoot a expensive marker? What if they worked hard for every dime of that money? Why do you think that everyone that shoots a electro marker is that way? Why do you place such a horrible sterotype?

in closing, i think they should cap all boards at 13 again its getting outrageous how fast these things can go now a days (oh by the way i've owned nothing but electro for 2 years now im just giving the other side an argument). just think, 13 balls a second thats freakin nuts....why would you need to shoot any faster?

Yes 13 BPS is fast. But why is it a porblem if they are faster then 13 BPS? Whats it matter? I know your going to say "It takes away skill" I don't think so the faster a player can shoot at you means the faster your reaction times and snap shooting abiltys have to be.

Originally posted by Brophog
We've had 5 threads worth of reasons for supporting our arguments.

Why don't you try reading them first. If you still don't understand, write them down. I'm sure cost was not one of them.

If we thought that 9 gillion balls a second were a good idea, we'd go buy a marker capable of that. Most of the people arguing for a limit already own many, many more than 1 marker.

If you thought "9 gillion balls a second" was a good idea then you would buy a marker capable of it. First off the "9 gillion" thing, doesn't make you sound smart or clever. If you don't like a fast marker thats fine, but don't bash people who chose to shoot and enjoying playing the faster pace game.

We're capable of doing everything that needs to be done in paintball with a high end marker in the range of 15-17 bps. We've been over that.

If your capable of doing that with a mech marker, then why is it so bad that I am capable of doing that with a electro marker?

Please read the posts. Then once you have done that, and summarized our reasons, we'll continue to spoonfeed the information for you.

No need to spoonfeed me anything, I have read all the threads. I can see your side of this issue, but you don't need to push for limits on how fast others chose to shoot just because you don't like and it makes it harder/unfair for you as a player. Get over it and practice more. I have not a problem with mech. markers. But the future of paintball isn't mech. it is electro weather you want to believe it or not, that is up to you.

[Brophog]

If your capable of doing that with a mech marker, then why is it so bad that I am capable of doing that with a electro marker?

Look at the BPS limit threads. IS there anything in there about banning electros. No. We're talking a reasonable limit. We don't care what you shoot, as long as its in that reasonable limit.

Yes 13 BPS is fast. But why is it a porblem if they are faster then 13 BPS? Whats it matter?

Read the BPS limit threads. We've discussed why this is a problem before.

If you thought "9 gillion balls a second" was a good idea then you would buy a marker capable of it. First off the "9 gillion" thing, doesn't make you sound smart or clever. If you don't like a fast marker thats fine, but don't bash people who chose to shoot and enjoying playing the faster pace game.

We're not bashing what you shoot. We're saying that their is a problem with the escalating bps in paintball. Read the BPS threads again. There are several reasons mentioned.

I can see your side of this issue, but you don't need to push for limits on how fast others chose to shoot just because you don't like and it makes it harder/unfair for you as a player.

You obviously need to re-read the threads. That was not mentioned. There are legitimate reasons for a BPS limit.

You seem to think that the people on this forum are incapable of buying markers that would make the game "fair". This is not a fairness/cost issue.

Please see this thread.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122201

Does it look like the people on this board have an income problem?

[Smoke]

Allow me to throw my $.02 in.


I would agree somewhat about how mech players bash electro players because they can't afford to either own an electro or support the paint usage. There is definatly an element they're missing out on: sheer trigger happy madness. It's downright exciting to walk the trigger on an opponent, sending a literal line of paint at him. Believe me it's fun, and I once shot a half case in a 5 minute game.

But, I would disagree about the statement about how the future of paintball is electro. I own an E-Mag and an RTP, and which do I prefer using? The RT. I don't know, to me the lower the tech level is, the more the rush is. I've played speedball, woodsball, semi, pump, stock, you name it. I enjoy pumps and PGP's alot, and I've found myself being more aggressive and up front with a PGP against a bunch of semi's.

There is definatly more movement in the lower tech games because you can literally run circles around people. You can't really do that with electros...you'll get sawed in half. The quickest game I ever played was against a kid with an RT, it lasted 4 seconds and I was using an old school Sniper. At the break, I fired 1 shot down the field, and I hit him dead in the goggles (totally 100% true). Each style of play (pump, mech, electro) has it's select benefits, and until you master them all (or at least play them) you haven't experienced the whole of paintball. The future of paintbal isn't electros...it's the weekend warriors who gas up their marker, whatever it may be, and play. An electro is fine, but it won't help you if you flat out suck.

But to each, their own. That is my opinion, and is not in any way law. I personally feel that the lower the tech level the better, because it's just more fun.

Again, just my $.02.

[GhillieGuy]

Its not the gun that makes the player though. (Well to a certain degree)

[Duke of Lawnchair]

It's an arms race.

Splatmaster gunners poo-poo the pumpguns with & without the autotrigger.

Orthodox pump-gunners poo-poo the semiauto.

The semiauto mechanical users dis the electro users.

The electro users rag on the WAS'd guns.

It keeps going and going and going...

OR

We can just have fun.

Run whatcha brung.

[TheDuelist]

My personal opinion is if someone wants to bash the electro/bps/mechanical/15yroldbrat/9gillionbps/13bpscap deal then let them. Thats what this forum is all about. Just as you have expressed your opinion we have too. If you disagree with what you read then let the world know but do we have to have million threads on the same thing? If you don't like it don't read it, don't respond or at least respond in the thread associated with the topic and not create a whole new thread worded differently but reagrding the same issue. Just my opinion so lets see where this goes now.

[bryceeden]

Re: I just have something to say about all the BPS talk

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
Ok, reading almost all of these threads I hear more and more people complaining about how fast certin markers shoot. Why do all of you think it is necessary to limit how fast a player can shoot? To me, it sounds like MOST people that complain about how fast Intimidators, matrixs, etc. shoot are people that can not afford these markers/playing styles. Also, I support a mech only tournement, but it seems MOST of you bash non-mech users. Frankly I chose not to use a mech. marker because it give me a better advantage to shoot faster. So in closing, if you have a problem with fast shooting markers, I'm sorry, but they are not going away anytime soon. They will just continue to get faster and make the sport more competive which I think is great. So if you are only downing electro markers because you can't afford one or afford the playing style, please stop.

I compleatly agree, and after reading ALL of the pro cap posts I can say they are fishing for any hypothetical situation possible to try to support thier theorys. As a member of the paintball industry I can say that I don't see a cap in the future, and as a player I am glad.

[RingOfScale]

lol i remember the first time we went paintballing my friend and i started complaining to a ref non stop cause the only two people with "machine guns" were on the other team. its funny though, once we got electros suddenly we stopped caring that other people used them also I agree with ya that most people who complain about fast guns are the ones who dont have em. its not that often you see someone with a top end e-marker get over shot a bit and then complain that the other guy's gun is too fast.

[Brophog]

its not that often you see someone with a top end e-marker get over shot a bit and then complain that the other guy's gun is too fast

Of course he wouldn't, he'd be hypocritical.

I agree bryceeden, I don't see a voluntary rate of fire cap being placed. That's a shame really, because one will occur, whether we like it or not.

The non paintball people cannot be so adamant against unassisted firing modes (Turbo, FA, etc.) and yet keep turning the other cheek to what is happening today. Someone will step in sooner or later.