I just have something to say about all the BPS talk

[elpimpo]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
ha not true because anyone can afford an electro these days its just they choose not to because its THEIR DAMN CHOICE! its not fun to have a mech and to shoot against these bratty little sack of crap with 3002349023094 dollar guns it just isnt. in closing, i think they should cap all boards at 13 again its getting outrageous how fast these things can go now a days (oh by the way i've owned nothing but electro for 2 years now im just giving the other side an argument). just think, 13 balls a second thats freakin nuts....why would you need to shoot any faster?

hey man in other sprots its the guy who can run the fastest that has an advantage. you dont tell him he has to slow down. well same purpose hear. if you can shoot that fast why not do it. it tkes talent to hit 20 bps. i dont care if you say its the gun or whatever it still takes talent.

[Skoad]

Who gives a crap, lets just play paintball.


if it takes the guy $10 bucks to get me out then so be it. If it takes them a nickel so be it.

[Lee]

surviving the modern speedball field requires skills unique unto themselves.

each level of play has it's associated skills required to be succesful.

most people can't shoot past 11-14 bps regardless of what type marker they are shooting so i think the bps issue as a whole is pointless.

i regularly play speedball with a mech mag , a b2k3 or 2 different pump guns. it's the competition that makes the challenge or lack of it, but theres still that lucky shot and sometimes thats all it takes.

enough already.

just had to post to back up my man theduelist

[DementedRabbit]

I see a LOT of rec players getting mowed lately. Not good.

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants

Yes, you are right it as there choice. It is also my choice to shoot a electro, I have just as much right to shoot what I want as you do.so basicly if you dont have the money for a good gun, you choose to get lit the **** up every game by those who just do shock and awe to everyone in their path? i think its pretty damn lame.




Why does someone have to to be bratty or a "sack of crap" because they shoot a expensive marker? What if they worked hard for every dime of that money? Why do you think that everyone that shoots a electro marker is that way? Why do you place such a horrible sterotype?[color=red]haha yeah yeah those kids who are like 14 and under work every damn minute of their life to get that dragon timmy....bs their parents gave them all that money its so sickening. i went paintballing a month ago and there were three kids all with e-orricals, a dragon timmy and a pbx viking and they had to have been 12 or so, all had angel air, halo b, oh, and they had the latest in dye jerseys and guess what, the whole time they just poured paint onto the field not caring about a ball limit because daddy was at the staging area wearing his powder green leasure suit flippin out hundred dollar bills to see little bobby happy. its called labor laws. if they worked every minute from the time they were born it wouldnt account to a dragon....oh and yeah those lumbering 40 year olds fit into the "bratty little kid group" huh?[color]



Yes 13 BPS is fast. But why is it a porblem if they are faster then 13 BPS? Whats it matter? I know your going to say "It takes away skill" I don't think so the faster a player can shoot at you means the faster your reaction times and snap shooting abiltys have to be.
so why do you need something over 13 bps in order to place a couple good shots on someone? last time i checked, 13 bps is fast by itself! i think electros in general are a bad idea actually, not for the paintball economy, but for the idea and values of the game.

so all in all, the main reason you made this thread was to tell those who cant afford something as cool as your 2000 dollar gun and who get lit up without a chance in the universe to defend against 16 or so balls per second flying at them to shut up and deal with it? how fun will it be 5 years from now when they have some new trigger technique or something that enables the shooter to punch out 25 balls a second (yes, it will happen) and joe dirtball with his crazy gun walks into a rec ball game with his buds admeral asshat and deputy dingus and all three of them toasts the whole field with their guns. the people toasted are people with rentals, pos spyders (maybe in five years spyder will go bankrupt....lets pray) and all, but hey its fine because it makes the game more interesting. heh.

[Jon/xpm]

Electronic markers being limited balls per secound is not even worth the time and effort to try to stop
If you limit electronic guns then you would have to limit mech guns...
Because then people would complain that you can shoot pass 13bps with mech. and then where would you be?
Everyone going to pump?
Electronic guns just give an edge and is a new style of paintball... If you do not like playing with electronic markers then dont play Easy as that
Each person has their own style of play and how they like to play
But again how is mech guns fair to pump owners
This could go on and on and go no where

[Barfly]

The only problem I have with people maxing out their halo b at 25 bps. Is if all 25 of those damn balls hit me in the gonads. Have you ever heard of overkill? Yeah that is what the military does to ensure destruction.

[Magluvr]

As many have said whats the big deal with putting on the limits. Many people can't even hit that high a rate of fire so it wouldn't even effect them.

I don't see why anyone should have a limit put on their marker other than safety reasons (which I believe insurance companies will sooner or later impose on field owners for liability reasons). In essence, why should everyone be forced to the same level?

Secondly, please.... SOME e-gun owners are severely bashing the mech-gun owners and vice versa. If you don't want someone to bash your gun don't bash theirs back, you'll only start a fight.

SOME e-gun owners are also insinuating harshly that mech owners are poor. LOL Don't even go there many of the mech owners I know, including myself, could buy all the best e- equipment on the market but don't because of preference.

Please just simmer down all!!

No one can EVER make a valid argument proving that someone's preference is wrong. So, don't resort to "the stick" because someone disagrees about preferences, which is what this whole thing is about.

[Brophog]

Where does it stop then?

One of the biggest reasons we have ACE's now is the fact the combination of bolt speed and ball/bolt size ratios means that it makes the balls inherently more likely to get caught in a choppable situation. ACE's prevent this, but at a cost of true balls per second. That is the actual balls per second leaving your marker, contrary to trigger pulls per second or cycles per second.

So, the next step is to make a smaller ball. The smaller ball would allow you to feed faster, provided you had the feeder to accomplish it. Of course, then people will shrink the bolt size down, since we do not need such a large size in order to close the feed breech. We then gain more cycles per second, but at a loss of true bps, like before.

And it continues. Your either going to get a true balls per second cap forthcoming in the near future, or situations like the one above will happen. Its inevitable.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by Brophog
ACE's prevent this, but at a cost of true balls per second.

I don't understand what you mean by "at a cost of true balls per second" ...

In either case, what I really think they need to do is get rid of trigger bounce. None of this "kinda filtered" crap like WAS and EBlades where you can kinda have *some* bounce. There should be an internal setting that locks out bounce period. That alone will make it difficult to shoot over 15/16, and those that *can* shoot that fast will be doing it because they have the skill to... not because the software is doing it for them.

[FooTemps]

Well, I can actually now afford to buy a viking. But I won't. It isn't worth the money. So don't say mech owners are poor.

See, after 13 balls per second all you're doing is wasting money on paint. 16 or something balls per second is minimally more effective than 13 balls per second. It just isn't worth the extra money to fire a little faster.

Also, many people have a warped perception about bps. A lot of people still don't realize how fast 13 balls per second really is. Heck, I'm usually amazed when I hit 8 balls per second on my SINGLE TRIGGER MECH MAG. (y-grip and ult are on their way don't worry... lol) It's just that everyone doesn't see 13 bps as fast when it IS, and was, fast. I can think back 2 years and say, wow... 13bps was fast back then... Now I say... 13bps is fast, but 25 bps is fast too... In 2 more years I'll be saying... 25 bps is fast but 47 bps is faster! lol, anything over 30 is just wrong.

[Brophog]

Originally posted by FallNAngel


I don't understand what you mean by "at a cost of true balls per second" ...

You have cycles per second, which is the amount of time the marker cycles. This doesn't have to be the number of times the marker fires. Usually this is quoted without paint to show what the marker is capable of.

Then you have trigger pulls per second. On an electro, and definitely an electro with an ACE, your not necessarily shooting 1 ball everytime the trigger is pulled. The ACE may kick in and delay the cycle, or software could be using the trigger pulls and adding or subtracting from that count.

Then you have what I called "true balls per second". This is nothing more than the balls that actually do come out of your barrel. This number can be quite different from the number of times the trigger was pulled and/or marker cycled.

[Gadget]

Anyone else find it spooky that the people who are rabidly pro-unlimited bps always tend to be the younger members of the community?

I read the first post and just knew, from the way it was written, that he was 16 years old....and even spookier, the next poster who agrees with everything he said, HE'S also 16!

Is this issue an age gap thing, or is it just a coincidence?

Oh and:

To me, it sounds like MOST people that complain about how fast Intimidators, matrixs, etc. shoot are people that can not afford these markers/playing styles.

That is SO blatantly untrue.

[Gadget]

Originally posted by elpimpo
it tkes talent to hit 20 bps.

Uh no, it just takes circuit boards that allow excessive trigger bounce. My mum could hit 20bps on some of the timmys I've seen.

'Skill' is being able to shoot accurately, knowing when to move, being able to co-ordinate moves with teammates, being able to communicate effectively. ANYONE can sit behind a bunker and hose paint - and it's people who rely on that as their main tactic who are turning the sport into a boring yawn-fest.

[theraidenproject]

I don't feel like debating, but just some food for though. Last Saturday, I went paintballing with a group of 8 friends. 6 of us are on a fledgling young guns team. We also had 2 friends very new to the sport, this was their 3rd time playing for both of them, and their 1st time playing speedball. One had a 98 the other a brand new ult rt. Even playing against a lot of good players with was'd timmies and other high end guns like that, neither of them got their asses lit up too badly nor complained once that the other guys were shooting too fast. And neither of these guys are really that good or anything. The fields were laid out well, but even they were able to get some distance off the break and move between bunkers. These two noobs were somehow able to cope with the same conditions I see many complaining about.