AO OD - Time for something fresh.

[Beemer]

way to go

Originally posted by PissedGodzilla


you are right phil, I apologize... that was kinda stupid of me, I should have just kept it to myself, I only thought it was funny.... Riotz, my bad, sorry. I was just being sarcastic. To be honest I could care less about the stupid arguments, I was just having a little fun. I apologize.

Thats class


Well said Thordic

Havent made one yet but plan on it.

[Ronin 23]

Originally posted by InexactMelissa
I had a thought, but it kinda puts competition into the mix and that might kill the fun aspect a bit,.... Really, it could be something goofy (as in sure, Miss America's responsibilities are real tough!) so it wouldn't all have to be about winning a tournament and we could keep it fun.

We're bound together by the love for a sport that's predicated on COMPETITION and I don't think there's anything wrong with that....but I love the 'goofy' factor.

[JEDI]

Holy self absorbed/self gratifying batman! I've never read a more politically based compilation of double meaning bull crap in my entire life. Your average thread of flaming and blatant mud slinging would have been closed hours ago. Phil, you really seem undermined here. What special interest lies within this thread? May I contribute? - "My blank is bigger than your blank"-

Thank God I'm a baller concerned with one thing, and one thing only... POOF!putting my paint where it counts. Win at all costs - Talk not the talk, but walk the walk.






Deadcell baby... my cocker owns your mag.

[Ronin 23]

Re: AO OD - Time for something fresh.

Originally posted by Ronin 23
There is no other owner's group community like AO...and that's a fact.

Just reiterating the obvious.

Originally posted by Ronin 23
But as a community, it behooves us to stay on the cutting edge not only to show the rest of the paintball community who we are but also create marketing opportunities for AGD.

Why do we loyally stick with a company that the paintball industry has unfairly marginalize? What other company ENGINEERS products to last and perform and support it with a level of passion not seen elsewhere in paintball? Where else in this industry can you find a company's employee willing to drive 16 hours in a snow storm just because he needed to deliver products to a customer?

AGD is a company with a payroll and costs that needs to be met even before profits can be counted. Well wishes and good intentions won't do it. Helping promote their products to those who may not know of or seen just what kind of company AGD is.....well, that's one of the purposes of this endeavor.

Originally posted by Ronin 23
To many outside our community, the concept of AO Days has gotten stale and corny. Keeping it constantly fresh and dynamic is the goal of this totally inclussionary brain-storming effort. NO ONE PARTICULAR PERSON CAN OR SHOULD TAKE CREDIT for the creation of this concept. This is purely a cooperative effort by AOers and for AOers worldwide.

I have the opportunity to meet paintballers all day everyday! From the newbie who just caught the bug to the hard-core "3-times-a-week-gotta-get-my-paintball-fix" player. Speaking to them and getting their feedback has been one of the reasons for the creation of this thread.

When we're in the AO world, we have the opportunity to see and talk to other members of the 'choir'. THE PURPOSE OF WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE CAN ALL COLLECTIVELY CREATE HERE IS NOT TO PREACH TO THE CHOIR BUT RATHER TO RECRUIT NEW MEMBERS FOR THE CHOIR. So I urge everyone to try to step out of the AO box and put yourselves in the shoes of those who aren't AO'ers.

There was no statement made in the initial start of this thread that promotes the abolishment of the things that we hold dear...friendship, comraderie, shooting someone smack-center of their goggles. HELL! Those things are a must, don't you think?

If it is indeed true that we all collectively value all that AO has accomplished on a social level, then isn't it our collective concern to see to it that the entity that binds us all, AGD, has a long and profitable existence?

Part and parcel of increasing AGD's market share is for those unaware ballers out there to truly understand and appreciate not just the quality of the products they make but also the quality of the people behind it and those who support it.

BTW, I thought the word "INCLUSSIONARY" was self-explanatory. The paragraph directly quoted above was neither intended as a jab at someone nor is it a subtle mischiveous act. How it is interpreted is entirely dependent on one's mindset.....and that I have no control over.

If I would have known that this thread would have degenerated to the level that Phil had to intercede...I WOULD HAVE ASK PROCTER AND GAMBLE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SELLING SOME SOAP.

This thread, although light-hearted in its original nature, is meant to be a serious discussion. If you have an ax to grind, THIS THREAD IS NOT YOUR GRINDING WHEEL.

So I ask you all again....let the suggestions begin.....

[Chojin Man]

Ok well if we want the AO day's to support and promote AGD then we will have to let the general public know. Right now the only people that really know about it are the people on AO. Invite media types to the AO day. Like what was done in CA with the radio station and paper(even though the paper didn't mention AGD or AO). Mabey have an AO banner with dates on it at a field we are schedualed(sp) to play at a month or two before hand. Try to get people who may have never played paintball before, and show them what AGD has to offer.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by JEDI
Holy self absorbed/self gratifying batman! I've never read a more politically based compilation of double meaning bull crap in my entire life. Your average thread of flaming and blatant mud slinging would have been closed hours ago. Phil, you really seem undermined here. What special interest lies within this thread? May I contribute? - "My blank is bigger than your blank"-

Thank God I'm a baller concerned with one thing, and one thing only... POOF!putting my paint where it counts. Win at all costs - Talk not the talk, but walk the walk.






Deadcell baby... my cocker owns your mag.

Well I never read anything so insulting and so... incoherant in my life. I just going to let that go. Because its obviously ignorant ranting. If you are not interested in someone working his behind off to show you a good time then don't come. No skin off my arse....

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by Thordic
AO Days shouldn't be loaded with media coverage, cheerleaders, and blimps overhead. All you need is some paint, some burgers, and some good friends.

Thor you're fired, you forgot BEER. You need BEER.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Thordic
AO Days shouldn't be loaded with media coverage, cheerleaders, and blimps overhead. All you need is some paint, some burgers, and some good friends.

The fact is those things are not mutualy exclusive as you seem to conclude. You can do all that and have Media coverage, cheeleaders (I hadn't thought of this but will incorporate ) and blimps overhead. Keeping the family atmosphere does not mean you cannot do everything. We have successfully done it. Ask anyone that came down this past fall if it can be done. You just have to pay attention to detail is all and keep control in the hands of what AOers want. If you get 200+ AOer's together you can demand more and will attract more industry people catering to you whims. YOUR in charge then not them. There are strength in numbers. Nothing wrong with that at all. As long as organizers use that to AOers advantage and are AOers then its pretty easy to keep the atmosphere. AOers make thier own atmosphere. Where ever they go. And when someone makes sure its catered to them they appreciate it. So I disagree with that assessment to some degree. I don't think smaller is always better. I don't think bigger is always better. I think well organized and without someone trying to make money off of it is better. I think over commercializing it is bad for it. But using the numbers you gather to get commercial organizations to realize they MUST be there and its in their interest to contribute to them is good. If they feel they can reach out to a large group of people its an opportunity for them. And its worth something to them to be there. And AO organizers can use that to their advantage to keep the event cheap. It makes it cheaper for everyone. And certainly good publicity is good. For all of us. One thing builds on another.

[Thordic]

I'm sorry Phil, but I disagree. I don't see how turning AO Days into a circus is good for AO at all. I think we can leave the elephants and midgets at home.

Ok, on second thought, maybe some midgets :)

[cphilip]

Well Ok. You can disagree with what I say all you want. But your disagreeing with a conclusive statement that I didn't say nor even alude too. Circus? Thats your conclusion not mine...

If you want to play that game I will conclude from you statements you want to have an AO day where you invite just your friends and not people you don't like. Making it exclusive to just your buddies. Turn about is fair play!

[Riotz]

Originally posted by cphilip


The fact is those things are not mutualy exclusive as you seem to conclude. You can do all that and have Media coverage, cheeleaders (I hadn't thought of this but will incorporate ) and blimps overhead. Keeping the family atmosphere does not mean you cannot do everything. We have successfully done it. Ask anyone that came down this past fall if it can be done. You just have to pay attention to detail is all and keep control in the hands of what AOers want. If you get 200+ AOer's together you can demand more and will attract more industry people catering to you whims. YOUR in charge then not them. There are strength in numbers. Nothing wrong with that at all. As long as organizers use that to AOers advantage and are AOers then its pretty easy to keep the atmosphere. AOers make thier own atmosphere. Where ever they go. And when someone makes sure its catered to them they appreciate it. So I disagree with that assessment to some degree. I don't think smaller is always better. I don't think bigger is always better. I think well organized and without someone trying to make money off of it is better. I think over commercializing it is bad for it. But using the numbers you gather to get commercial organizations to realize they MUST be there and its in their interest to contribute to them is good. If they feel they can reach out to a large group of people its an opportunity for them. And its worth something to them to be there. And AO organizers can use that to their advantage to keep the event cheap. It makes it cheaper for everyone. And certainly good publicity is good. For all of us. One thing builds on another.

When a company runs an event it's all about profits.

When a team or player(s) run it, it's about fun. No money lines their pockets at the end of the day.

[cphilip]

I agree. Companies don't run them. So not sure why you quoted me. Your statement is contained within my quote if you chose to read it! Here I will assist you...

You just have to pay attention to detail is all and keep control in the hands of what AOers want.....I think well organized and without someone trying to make money off of it is better. I think over commercializing it is bad for it.

No company has ever run one. Nor has any company made any money off of it that I know of. Except the hotels and restraunts and bars! And with numbers even those can give back to the event. Cut rates and all...

[shartley]

[cphilip]

Well here is how I veiw it. If I as an AO member organise an AO day I have certain reponsiblities to take care of. I have to make sure that people have a place to stay and play. First and foremost. And if I know 100+ are coming I have an obligation to go to those places and use that number to drive a bargain with them. I can get them better pricing with that base of people. If AOers give me 200 I can drive a better bargain. And so on. As the organizer I can, with no money out of my pocket or the members pockets drive down the price of the whole thing so more people can afford to come. Now also knowing that in the past people come not just for paintball that day but to socialize... I have an obligation to try and keep them together and give them something collective to do. So now I have to get them all someplace to all sit down and eat and party that night and entertainment. That is cost effective for them all. No matter what thier income bracket is. And so it goes. I can use that attendance number to make that cheaper but I have arrange it and I have to take a chance on it. As has been established people want to stay as a group that night. This is not speculative. Its a fact. It's as important as anything to them for the event. And as has also been established when you go to any vendor and tell him I got 100+ people, do you want to help out by giving me some free stuff to give them and maybe coming out and selling them some stuff at cost so you get exposure? They look at the number and say heck yea! If its bigger then the bigger ones say "heck yea". And so the members benefit. If I have a vendor that wants his name there he does something to get it there. He does something to drive down the cost. And so it goes. And he often does so at cost or even a loss because he wants his name out there too. And if there is some kind of media coverage even more will take a deeper cut to be there. And more celebrities will come. Its cost effective. They look at the metrics and what its going to cost them and decide. They want to expose to a large group. That then puts us in the drivers seat as far as AO now can dictate to them the terms.

And I say to you that as an organizer of the event you would be negligent NOT to do this. All in the interest of who you represent and that is AO'ers. If you do not take advantage of the numbers that AOers present to you then as an organizer you are negigent in your responsibility to them. Thats their hard earned money your spending if you don't. And they deserve your effort to get the most bang for their buck. They travel a long ways for this. A lot of them do. It's not right to not get them all you can. Thats how I approach it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip
Well here is how I veiw it. If I as an AO member organise an AO day I have certain reponsiblities to take care of. I have to make sure that people have a place to stay and play. First and foremost. And if I know 100+ are coming I have an obligation to go to those places and use that number to drive a bargain with them. I can get them better pricing with that base of people. If AOers give me 200 I can drive a better bargain. And so on. As the organizer I can, with no money out of my pocket or the members pockets drive down the price of the whole thing so more people can afford to come. Now also knowing that in the past people come not just for paintball that day but to socialize... I have an obligation to try and keep them together and give them something collective to do. So now I have to get them all someplace to all sit down and eat and party that night and entertainment. That is cost effective for them all. No matter what thier income bracket is. And so it goes. I can use that attendance number to make that cheaper but I have arrange it and I have to take a chance on it. As has been established people want to stay as a group that night. This is not speculative. Its a fact. It's as important as anything to them for the event. And as has also been established when you go to any vendor and tell him I got 100+ people, do you want to help out by giving me some free stuff to give them and maybe coming out and selling them some stuff at cost so you get exposure? They look at the number and say heck yea! If its bigger then the bigger ones say "heck yea". And so the members benefit. If I have a vendor that wants his name there he does something to get it there. He does something to drive down the cost. And so it goes. And he often does so at cost or even a loss because he wants his name out there too. And if there is some kind of media coverage even more will take a deeper cut to be there. And more celebrities will come. Its cost effective. They look at the metrics and what its going to cost them and decide. They want to expose to a large group. That then puts us in the drivers seat as far as AO now can dictate to them the terms.

And I say to you that as an organizer of the event you would be negligent NOT to do this. All in the interest of who you represent and that is AO'ers. If you do not take advantage of the numbers that AOers present to you then as an organizer you are negigent in your responsibility to them. Thats their hard earned money your spending if you don't. And they deserve your effort to get the most bang for their buck. They travel a long ways for this. A lot of them do. It's not right to not get them all you can. Thats how I approach it.