When You Get Hit......

[NJPaint]

Okay, lets see. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. If you are going to rant to me about something, PLEASE link me to what I said so I can explain my comments or at least know where you are coming from.

The ONLY post that I have on record that EVER mentions the NJ Jesters was one about calling ones self out. In it I commented that I was told that I was called "too honest" and that one of the refs commented to me about the differences between the Jesters and a Pro team.

Lets set some things straight. I never said ANYTHING bad about the Jesters. They are one of the few teams that I have seen in action and having talked to a few of you, you guys seem like great guys. I'm not out to flatter you, but the reason why I asked the ref about the difference between you guys and the Pro teams is because I was THAT impressed with how you guys were playing against each other. I really did and DO want to know what seperates levels of play.

NO WHERE in my post do I EVER degrade NJ Jesters or give them a bad name. I simply quoted a ref on the differences in levels in paintball teams. "Stop worrying about us... You have the time to comment about us" What the heck are you saying? Here I quoted myself:

Originally posted by NJPaint
I was told today at PBX Battlezone:

"You are a good player, but too honest, you need to at least finish your run"



Another thing:

Me: Whats the difference between an amateur team like the NJ Jesters and a pro team?

(I'm sitting with a few refs and a few players watching the Jesters do their stuff on the field)

Ref sitting next to me: "Pro teams cheat better"


Made me feel sad

OBVIOUSLY I didn't say ANYTHING about the NJ Jesters cheating. That is what a PBX Ref said TO ME AND TO PHILIP. If you are the Max that I am thinking of (the one that borrowed a pod of paint while on the field) you know philip and YOU can ask HIM what the ref said.

Look, I really didn't mean to attack your team or make you sound like cheaters. I'll see you this saturday at the YG tourney at Top Gun and I don't want there to be hard feelings. (i'm playing with philip)

NJestars#1STUNNNAA!! wrote on 02-03-2004 11:20 PM:
Dear NJpaint

my name is Max and I am one of players of a paintball
team based out of PBX named the New Jersey Jesters. You obviously know who we are but you don't really seem to watch us play. I don't know you, your team, or what your deal is exactly, but you seem to have the time to sit down and try to give my team a bad reputation. I find my team to actually be one of the cleanest teams at all of the places that we go and practice. While you may sit and compare us to pro players, I will sit here and compare you to my teammates. We do not sit around pretending to be better than the next team, or people that we don't know at all like you do. What is amusing to me though is the fact that we practice against ourselves at the Battlezone so in fact you are commenting that we cheat against each other. I have advice for you, stop worrying about what my team is doing, and in line with that stop trying to call us cheaters online. You know my name and what team I play on obviously, just come and say it to my face. My team would be glad to scrimmage against your team, you can even invite your friends to referee. Until then stop trying to be such a tough guy when it is pretty obvious you're just jealous.
Look forward to seeing you

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by Tim Trentacoste
Dear NJpaint

my name is Tim and I am one of two captains of a paintball
team based out of PBX named the New Jersey Jesters. You obviously know who we are but you don't really seem to watch us play. I don't know you, your team, or what your deal is exactly, but you seem to have the time to sit down and try to give my team a bad reputation. I find my team to actually be one of the cleanest teams at all of the places that we go and practice. While you may sit and compare us to pro players, I will sit here and compare you to my teammates. We do not sit around pretending to be better than the next team, or people that we don't know at all like you do. What is amusing to me though is the fact that we practice against ourselves at the Battlezone so in fact you are commenting that we cheat against each other. I have advice for you, stop worrying about what my team is doing, and in line with that stop trying to call us cheaters online. You know my name and what team I play on obviously, just come and say it to my face. My team would be glad to scrimmage against your team, you can even invite your friends to referee. Until then stop trying to be such a tough guy when it is pretty obvious you're just jealous.
Look forward to seeing you,
Tim Trentacoste / NJpaint fan club member #1

You guys are really impressive on the field, but 2/2 your reading comprehension skills need some work. Note what I said, and what theREF said. He is a PBX employee (THE SAME STORE THE SPONSERS YOU), I have never accused or seen a Jester cheat and after meeting at least one don't think I ever will. But please, for the love of God... READ the POST THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU

Edit: btw, was it planned that you both sent me the same paragraph? You have 2-3 posts total each so its kinda wierd... same person?

[Sir_Brass]

If I can't see the hit, and thus can't be sure if it broke or not, I get behind cover and call for a paintcheck. but till the ref gets there and calls me neutral, I keep playing.

If I can see the hit and it's definately a hit, then I will be the man of integrity and call myself out. The guy who shot me deserves to have his opponent (me) go to the deadbox, after all, since I'd want him to do the same if I hit him and it broke. If I SEE it broke and he can't, I'll either call for HIM to check his ______ (name where I saw the ball break) or call for the ref to check him if he can't hear me or I don't want him to know where I was shooting from.

[NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!]

Originally posted by NJPaint


You guys are really impressive on the field, but 2/2 your reading comprehension skills need some work. Note what I said, and what theREF said. He is a PBX employee (THE SAME STORE THE SPONSERS YOU), I have never accused or seen a Jester cheat and after meeting at least one don't think I ever will. But please, for the love of God... READ the POST THE WORLD IS NOT OUT TO GET YOU

Edit: btw, was it planned that you both sent me the same paragraph? You have 2-3 posts total each so its kinda wierd... same person?

My team doesnt aggree with with your subject matter.

[NJPaint]

This is an open forum, though it is moderated (and should be), there is free discussion. This is a thread about cheating in paintball. This is not MY subject matter, this is an open discussion. Teams get bashed for cheating almost every day. I did not accuse you, or claim anything, I reported as is. If the NJ Jesters don't wipe, they will be one of the few teams that doesn't.

If you don't accept that, I'm sorry, I'm a nice person, I suppose it isn't very humble to say, but I am generally. But in this case, tough. Grow a little skin. Thats what was said and it wasn't a private conversation. You don't like it, dispute it, tell us how you are all self-richeous and play clean paintball. But give me a break with this paranoia.

[digital]

read the original post guys, no need to get defensive. It's the internet and views can easily get distorted through reading comprehension. I was there when the ref said it. there was no implication of the NJ/PBX Jesters cheating, the ref said that pro teams cheat better. Better than what? Better than how the jesters cheat or how the jesters don't cheat. You INFERED from what was said that someone said that the jesters cheated, where in fact nothing was said about how the jesters cheat, but about how pro teams cheat.

You guys are obviously a well established amateur team, representing many different companies, let's be civilized and leave the "calling out" at home.

[A5 Capo]

Originally posted by pbguy888

From my experiences, you dont look down to see if you're hit. Everythings so fast that if its not an obvouse hit(gogged or the like) you let the ref do his job and you consintrate on your job.

i completely agree. to me, many times a break feels the same as a bounce, and i can't count how many times i thought i was hit, stopped shooting, and checked myself only to find out it was a bounce. however, while checking, i get bunkered or hit. the refs are there for a reason, and the actual rules say that you're not out until a ref calls you out.

[NJPaint]

Originally posted by A5 Capo


i completely agree. to me, many times a break feels the same as a bounce, and i can't count how many times i thought i was hit, stopped shooting, and checked myself only to find out it was a bounce. however, while checking, i get bunkered or hit. the refs are there for a reason, and the actual rules say that you're not out until a ref calls you out.

I agree for tournaments and games with ample refs, but in rec ball, I think it makes sense for people to call themselves out just to be honest, its more fun for everyone.

[A5 Capo]

Originally posted by NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!

My team doesnt aggree with with your subject matter.

ok, can i just say that this single sentence make you and your team seem REALLY peculiar and extremely defensive. personally, i've never heard anything bad about the Jesters. (plz let the record show that I DO NOT HOLD ANY NEGATIVE FEELINGS CONCERNING THE JESTERS AS A TEAM, THE MEMBERS, OR THEIR PLAYING STRATEGIES WHATSOEVER.) HOWEVER, when a representative of the team, in this case NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!, tries to tell another player not to discuss cheating and censor him, there does seem to be a certain level of impropriety in the situation and implicit guilt. (plz refer again to above, where i specifically state i harbor no grudges or negative impressions of the Jesters before you get your bowels in an opera.) i say this only out of concern for the integrity of the team; i do not want any other readers to interpret the quoted statement as defensive.
furthermore, i feel NJPaint said absolutely nothing wrong. he simply QUOTED (meaning he repeated something SOMEONE ELSE said). if you want to go after ANYONE, i think it would more appropriately be the ref who said it. but that's just me...

EDIT: honestly, wtf is with the "me and my team will scrimmage you any day"? (not an exact quote, but close enough) cmon guys, how old are you? 6? 7? maybe 8 or 9? why don't you just go ahead and tell NJPaint you won't be his friend any more/won't invite him to your b-day party? i generally tend to think of myself as literate, but i don't recall NJPaint challenging you to a "duel"--he didn't EVER doubt your playing ability, so how is a scrimmage at all relevant? what, can't solve your problems and disagreements with some civilized discussion, so you have to metaphorically duke it out?

EDIT 2: i said before i harbor no negative feelings towards the Jesters. however, i'd like to amend this statement by saying I DO NOT FEEL ANY NEGATIVE FEELINGS TOWARDS THE JESTERS OTHER THAN THAT THEY ARE RESPONDING TO THIS COMPLETELY BENIGN SITUATION WITH HOSTILITY AND IMMATURITY, neither of which helps their reputation.

[Tim Trentacoste]

This is for NJpaint and A5 Capo. I appreciate you trying to clear the situation up with my player. However this is just a misunderstanding obviously. When you said that pros cheat better, it implies something. The word better is comparitive. In your sentence you compared us to pros, which I deeply appreciate however it was brought up that they cheat better. We were the only other party in your question, it wasn't what is the difference between pros and amateurs. Thus we were called cheaters, you are correct that you didn't say it, which is very clear in your reply, however you brought it up. And for both of you we don't want to duel with anyone, we said that we would gladly scrimmage to show you what a straight group of players we are. When we step on the field we represent our sponsors and ourselves and that is the only reason we get defensive when someone calls us cheaters. Your reputation is everything. However I would just like to state that there are definitley no hard feelings, it couldn't be further from the truth. Either of you can find me at the PBX battlezone regularly, and can feel free to come up and introduce yourselves.

[A5 Capo]

Tim,
I definitely agree that this was all due to a misunderstanding. While NJPaint and I figured he was innocently quoting someone else, others interpreted it differently. That stuff happens, especially when it's through writing, as there is no "tone" one can hear. I, too, think this "argument"/issue is unnecessary, and am glad we can leave it civilly rather than as enemies. I'd love to come down and play at PBX, and look forward to meeting you, the Jesters, and seeing them play (honestly ).

[DementedRabbit]

If I can see the break, I'm gone right away. If I feel a hit but can't see a break, I have a teammate check me right away.

That being said, I smoke the bejeezus out of people who keep playing with unobvious hits.

[phantomhitman]

i have screwed myself over too many times to call myself out right away . i do however stop shooting and make the ref come check me.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Playing on while you have a hit isnt illegal. It's making the refs do their job, and besides, most of the time, the ref is watching you so closly that he will see the hit when it happens, and take your band. But if it his in an unobvious place, you just keep playing. They wont penalize you for it, because it's unobvious. Now, if I get hit in the gun, I will call myself out. It's right in front of my face, and hard to not notice. It's bending the rules, not breaking them. Kind of like, getting bunkered, and spinning to get him. You KNOW you were hit first, but you turned and hit him in order to get a one for one.

Until tney make full body suits that can tell if a paintball has hit, and broke on you, that automatically shuts down your gun, this will go on.

[islandboi]

I used to just try and reach where i was hit see if I could feel paint there but people seemes to take that as wiping so I get paint checks in rec ball or tourney in rec ball i came here to play so i dont wanna call my self out on a bounce or a ball that broke on something in front of me and just gave me alot of splatter