When You Get Hit......

[raehl]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
Why risk it, and call yourself out?

Because you are *SUPPOSED* to be penalized if you "risk it". That's the whole point of penalties - they provide an incentive for players to follow the rules. It makes ZERO sense to penalize your OPPONENT because *YOU* decided to "risk it". If you decide to "risk it" and you're wrong, *YOU* should be penalized.

The game plays better if the decision is not "Call myself out when it might have bounced or shoot the guy" but "Call myself out when it might have bounced or get a penalty."

Yeah, it MIGHT have broke, but if you get shot in the back, 90-95% of the time it *DID* break. Without the penalty, people who are hit 90-95% of the time are trying to shoot people they shouldn't be shooting at.

Your team wouldn't last long at a NCPA event.


- Chris

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Originally posted by Derman2k


And if I think it broke on my back.. you expect me to call myself out? no, i'm going to wait for a ref to pull my band if it did. if its blatantly obvious, ie gog, hand, chest... somewhere i can see i will call myself out, but not if its somewhere i can't see

i kinda agree with him. i usually play rec-ball and if i get hit where i can't see it, i call for a paint check. if it's where i can see it, i always call myself out.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

uhh what if you never get hit?



















jk

[lamby]

I play tourneys only.. I only get of the field if it is an obvious hit (gogged) or the ref tells me I am out.

I have trained myself to not flinch, I keep playing till told to stop. If I get you before they notice... bonus for my team.. If I get call for a 1+1, I will challenge it.. (unless it was close to the time I knew I was hit and then walk off the field. And then buy my team a round for "not playing correctly" at the local bar when it was over)

All and all, there is money on the line and the rules change. I will never be called on a bounce I guarentee that!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
You see, you arent sure if it broke at all. You may have been bunkered, and none of the balls break.

And there's one of the reasons that tournaments are full of bovine excrement IMO.

You were bunkered, out witted and out maneuvered. Except for the asinine clinging to the rule of the ball having broken or not you were beat.

IMO, refs should be given the power to yank you as soon as it's obvious you were beat.

Otherwise, perhaps a hybrid/new rule needs to be developed. All the rules around paintchecks really make no sense at the speed tournament games are played. Perhaps a bunkered player should go to their flag station for a paintcheck and be reinserted at the station after being cleared.

Otherwise, IMO the bunkered player should be checked first and if anything broke there should without a doubt be a penalty assessed. Indeed penalties should be assessed far more often.

Originally posted by lamby
I keep playing till told to stop. If I get you before they notice... bonus for my team.. If I get call for a 1+1, I will challenge it..

This is a prime example of where a penalty should be applied.
- Ref thinks they see a hit.
- Ref runs over while you are still playing.
- Ref finds a hit. Calls the elimination.

The ball DID break. The player was still playing AFTER

[dansim]

i call myself out before the game starts, its much easier that way

[lamby]

SHARTLY:

two things you must do, and in this order!!!

Play national tourneys,

then post.. You had the order wrong.

I was being honest, what the post asked for.

If I run to the forty and get hit at the 30 in the chest I slide on it..

If I get tagged in the leg I do a foot first to my bunker.

You have no idea what you are are talking about... I wanted to be honest, all that honesty makes you is a loser when it comes to check issueing time.

I am all for not "cheating" but "cheating" begets "cheating"

PS.. A goal in Hockey is crossing the plain of the goal, not "staying in the net" just get your rules right before you comment

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by lamby
SHARTLY:

Good god. At least get my name right.

Sorry, but I don't think anyone playing national tournaments is worth a rodents patoot. If you like it fine. But your status as a tourny player or not just doesn't interest me.

Nice to see that you get off on wasting/gambling your money on a competition of who can get away with the most. If you enjoy participating in an event that has no honour or honesty then so be it. It just turns me off.

Winning money based on blatent lies and cheating is something I NEVER want to be a part of. I'll take the moral win of knowing I like playing a sport and enjoy good clean competition. I'm also farther above every player in tournament ball that doesn't win. I at least haven't lined the pockets of organisers and low life cheats to receive nothing in return.

Seeing as it's tournament players that are by far the minority in paintball, isn't it time they were shown by the majority the way things should be and not the other way around?

[UltimatePaintballer]

i have only played rec ball and 98% of the time ill call myself out, but if i have an amazing spot on the field, i will play on till someone sees it and tells the ref to check me or the ref sees it and checks me. other wise yea, its rec ball and their mostly newbs so ill just leave and grab a beef stick

[lamby]

sorry SLARTY. I am used to fighting with the other guy (grin)

then don't play plain and simple. The original poster was not refering to you anyway. When I practice, or play rec ball (god forbid I am that bored)I will call myself out. When there is cash on the line ($100 or $10000) I will do what I need to do to win. I will not take stupid gambles with my or my teammates "lives" (lives are points and points are needed) If you come around a bunker and shoot someone and they shoot you back after you shot them it is normally a wash and you are both 'dead' unless there was a ref right there that knows who was shot first. Playing on is part of the game, but you cant play on if you flinch. The other tourney guys in this thread will understand, and that is as far as I as willing to take it right now

edited to fix the bad grammer...

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by lamby
The other tourney guys in this thread will understand, and that is as far as I as willing to take it right now

It's all a little like Pete Rose isn't it. You'll admit you're doing something wrong. But you didn't do anything wrong.

And you're right, I won't play tournaments. Unless there's good reffing and it doesn't cost a fortune to simply give the organisers a huge payoff and the winners huge prizes.

I'd much rather know I played right and got beat, than know that I'm willing to whore my principles to win money then make it worse by using the wins as bragging rights and lording over the 'inferior' and 'boring' rec players.

As long as you and other tournament players accept the way tournaments are played you'll have no respect or interest from me. Judging from many of the posts on this and other "why tournaments are bad" threads and the numbers of players playing rec/scenario compared to tourney players I'm not alone.

Regardless, the tired and pathetic refrain from the usual suspects of AO tournament players is what doesn't belong in these discussions. Come up with something constructive to sell the current format that's better than every one cheats and that's the way it'll stay. Current tournament players are free to devolve all they want. It would be refreshing however for some of them to champion the good fight and propose changes.

So far however all player initiatives to change the tournament scene have been perverted by the paintball industry and self serving promoters.

Players have their part of the blame as well. Too many are quick to judge a tournament not on its organisation and reffing but on the prizes it offers.

It may just be that good, clean, sportsman-like competition will not 'make it big'. But these discussions may make it possible for those looking for this type of play to organise at a grass-roots level.

For some paintball is about the game and comraderie, not about the flash and fame.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

One thing about sports in general.

Everyone cheats, people hold in football, foul in basketball, etc... etc... And wiping is no different, you get caught, and you are penalized. And that is why we have refs at tournies. But during rec, where refs are less prominent not cool. It should result in a reduction of points imo. Just to discourage it more.

[robdamanii]

When I'm on the speedball field, and it's an OBVIOUS hit, I'll call out. If it's not obvious (pack, shoe) I will play until called. That's what the refs are there for, is to watch for those hits.

In the woods, I'll check myself or call a paintcheck on what I can't see.

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
One thing about sports in general.

Everyone cheats, people hold in football, foul in basketball, etc... etc... And wiping is no different, you get caught, and you are penalized. And that is why we have refs at tournies. But during rec, where refs are less prominent not cool. It should result in a reduction of points imo. Just to discourage it more.

That's such bs that it's not funny. What you refered to can sometimes be unintentional, or just a reflex by the player, but penalties assesed ANYWAY b/c the rules were broken. It isn't cheating, b/c the rules don't define it as such.

In paintball, it has been made OBVIOUS over and over that wiping is cheating, pure and simple. Not something reactionary or unintentional (if I think the shot bounced, I'll call paintcheck and keep playing till the ref calls me neutral, and THEN if I keep playing while he's checking and finds a hit, then I'd be guilty of playing on) like playing on CAN be (but penalities still assessed).

Wiping is cheating and practicing wiping is encouraging cheating. Those who encourage it should be banned for life, and those who practice it should have the same penalty given to them (if constant consistant wiping [aka cheating] is occuring).

slarty, I agree with you for the most part, except for the playing on, thing. If one is hit in the mask above the visor, he won't necessarilly feel it. It's happened to me before where I didn't even know a shot HIT me till after the game and I took off my mask off the field and saw the hit there.

Anyway, you TWiBs are making me sick, trying to defend your cheating. It just shows you have no honor and care nothing except winning that money. Disgusting. I'd rather lose and keep my honor than win and lose my honor.

Originally said by actor Al Pachino in the movie "Scarface", I think . . .
All I have left are my honor and my balls, and I bust them for nobody.

[SyntaxError]

Man if you mow somebody good they'll leave, otherwise call a check on em real quick when the flinch cuz then a ref will see them wipe it.

I know just about every dirty trick in the book, I was taught by the best (much love guys ) but I won't out and out cheat a team out of a win, Im not gonna wipe a hit I know broke unless its against a team who I know is doing the same to us.

I'll freight train, sandbag in a division, shoot refs, use refs as distractions, distract the refs themselves, but its not cool wiping hits, if I know i'm out i'll leave. if im not sure and I think i could get in trouble for not doing so I'll ask a ref.

to tell the truth I dont get shot all that often