When You Get Hit......

[laxkid]

I always call my self out just to get into the habit of it if I see a break on me it is just I am an honorable player and can tell when I have been out played

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Originally posted by raehl


Because you are *SUPPOSED* to be penalized if you "risk it". That's the whole point of penalties - they provide an incentive for players to follow the rules. It makes ZERO sense to penalize your OPPONENT because *YOU* decided to "risk it". If you decide to "risk it" and you're wrong, *YOU* should be penalized.

The game plays better if the decision is not "Call myself out when it might have bounced or shoot the guy" but "Call myself out when it might have bounced or get a penalty."

Yeah, it MIGHT have broke, but if you get shot in the back, 90-95% of the time it *DID* break. Without the penalty, people who are hit 90-95% of the time are trying to shoot people they shouldn't be shooting at.

Your team wouldn't last long at a NCPA event.


- Chris

And the NCPA is...? Thats right, I dont care. What I'm talking about happens in bigger cicuits. Watch the 300FPS movie. It happens like 50 times. And I cant count how many times I've see a guy go for a bunker attempt and get shot up, even though he got the guy, the ref just pulled both. Because he didnt want to deal with an arguement. I dont think you realize how many pros use everything to their advantage. They let themselves get covered in spray to make it hard to distinguish hits from spray, they do superman dives when they get hit, and yes, they also play on for a hundredth of a second to secure the fate of their bunkerer. They also wait for a ref to pull them sometimes because they know they can get away with an unobvious hit. Thats the point, if they cant read your mind, they have to go on your word that it was unobvious. Meaning, you didnt feel it, and you didnt know it was there. Kind of like you cant send an "insane" person to jail. They plead insanity, and they got off. It wasnt his fault that his wife fell on to the kitchen knife 15 times. Or she may have even fallen onto the bullet, which then drove itself through her...getting off track... but either way, tahts what the unobvious hit rule was made for, when you get hit, and dont feel it.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
One thing about sports in general.

Everyone cheats, people hold in football, foul in basketball, etc... etc... And wiping is no different, you get caught, and you are penalized. And that is why we have refs at tournies. But during rec, where refs are less prominent not cool. It should result in a reduction of points imo. Just to discourage it more.

its not the same type of cheating. Its the same as playing football and maybe putting a little helium in the ball with the air to make it fly farther. (dont kno if it can be done). Or putting glue on the recievers gloves. Thats the same as wiping off a hit. Wrong? Ya. Is it done all the time in tournies? You bet. Any way to stop it? Nope.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
slarty, I agree with you for the most part, except for the playing on, thing. If one is hit in the mask above the visor, he won't necessarilly feel it. It's happened to me before where I didn't even know a shot HIT me till after the game and I took off my mask off the field and saw the hit there.

Been there, done that. If you read back I did allow that hits on hard equipment could be considered unobvious.

But then again, the solution is probably in removing the ambiguity of the rules. Clear rules, clearly enforced, diminished cheating.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
Wrong? Ya. Is it done all the time in tournies? You bet. Any way to stop it? Nope.

It's only unstoppable as long as tourny players, promoters, advertisers, and spectators want to put up with it.

Good refs that know the rules and who aren't afraid to enforce them would be a good start.

Next, would be some will to tighten the loopholes and identify any additionally required rules. Some creative thought on how to enforce the rules would be another step in the right direction.

Say prize money was linked to the honesty of the winning team and any future proof could be used to eliminate the team and require them to forfeit the prizes. So if the event is filmed and the film clearly shows wiping, fine the team. Fine them even if it isn't clearly wiping. Simply too bad, there was a hit and the team needs to have the rule enforced against them.

[tyrion2323]

SlartyBartFast,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. These guys who argue that cheating is okay because, well, they "want the money," or, "it happens all the time" have some serious issues. Yeah, lots of things "happen all the time," but it doesn't make them right.

Cheating is a serious issue in tournament paintball. I play in tournaments, and will soon be playing in some NCPA as well. Cheating is not okay on my team, even if the other team is cheating like crazy.

Guess a $100 prize isn't enough to break down my ideals, unlike some of the morons on this forum.

[Trina]

Originally posted by coolcatpete
I will be honest when I play with neewbs I dont directly wipe, I will brush up on a bunker or a ref will do it for me, I only would do this in the woods. The rason for this is that I ref and when I get to plaY that day I want to get a full game in not just 2 sec. So I figure I should be rewared for reffing. Most of the time when I do this I try not to shoot very many people, and I just guide neewbs around.

What a good example to all the new players who are looking up to you

Okay, you're playing with mostly "newbs" and you keep getting out in the beginning of the game...step it up a level dude...then you don't have to worry about wiping...

I can't stand playing with cheaters...you wipe...you're a cheater, it's as basic as that. There's no excuse.

Sorry, for ranting guys, but I've seen it happen too often and it's just one of those things that really annoy me.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


It's only unstoppable as long as tourny players, promoters, advertisers, and spectators want to put up with it.

Good refs that know the rules and who aren't afraid to enforce them would be a good start.

Next, would be some will to tighten the loopholes and identify any additionally required rules. Some creative thought on how to enforce the rules would be another step in the right direction.

Say prize money was linked to the honesty of the winning team and any future proof could be used to eliminate the team and require them to forfeit the prizes. So if the event is filmed and the film clearly shows wiping, fine the team. Fine them even if it isn't clearly wiping. Simply too bad, there was a hit and the team needs to have the rule enforced against them.

But no matter what you do, cheating will still be there. There will always be ways to bend the rules. Everyone is human and when theres money involved lots of teams will do what it takes to win. Thats one of the reasons I got out of tourney ball, that and I didnt have the cash to keep going.

Although it is possible for cheating to be reduced, I dont think you could completely get rid of it.

But one of the things I thought would be good, in big tournies, have a camera ZOOMED on every bunker, from all the angles you can get. Have refs on the field AND on the side watching each players every move from tv's.