Idea for a Budget Mag Package, AGD Please Read...

[mjs1217]

Recently I have been thinking alot about an idea that I think AGD should consider...
I noticed that lately you guys have been more focused towards building the best, fastest, lightest gun out there, some examples being the X-Mag, and the new RT-Pro. But, while you have the high-end markers covered nicely, you lack a marker catering to beginners. But, my concept could definitly be a profitable endeaver for you because of the ever-growing number of new players to the sport.

While it could be said that the Automag can be used by a new player, it isn't what new players want. New players don't want to modify their gun right away, they just want it to look nice and shoot immediatly. They don't want to need a barrel and gas lines in addition to paying the $240 pricetag if they can buy a Spyder with all that for half the price. If you were to include a decent barrel on the Automag, put on a Vert ASA, add a few colors, and then lower the price to about 200 (retail price that is), then it would make for a great starter gun.
Now there is more to this than meets the eye. If you get new players intrested in AGD products, they will return to you for their next gun. Also, they will start to spread the word about how much they love their AGD Automag, and how much easier it is to clean than this person's Autococker, or how much more reliable it is than that person's Spyder, just to give some examples.

So, I believe that the name "AGD" can be as widely known as the word "Tippmann" or "Spyder" through the use of my idea. Please tell me what you guys think, but keep the flaming to a minimum.

Thanks,
-mjs

[personman]

I dont think that would be very possible for AGD to do it and make very much money. I dont think the automag style of gun can be produced for that cheap. What may be a possibility, is like they make a on/off that can be run strait at 800 psi or whatever, and a bolt and sear that can handle it, and then take off the regulator. That would reduce cost a bit but I think it might not work, you would have a heavy trigger pull.. its not very practical. AGD could make a spyder clone I think But thats pretty common. Maybe if they came up with some revolutionary design? I dont know, but I think they have alot on their hands right now.

[punkncat]

Thats a hard one.
The mag is such a good marker , and is really priced well for what you are getting.I would like to see a barrel and bottomline come with.But everyone always replaces the stock barrel anyway.

Its also nice that the classic can be built up to compete with the best.

[mjs1217]

Ah, but you see, AGD doesn't need to make a huge profit off of the marker described in my post. They will make alot more money when those people come back to AGD to buy their next gun, or buy upgrades from AGD like a new valve or bolt.

[OysterBoy]

bump for the creative kid.

[Athius]

Another thing is To forget about stainless steel bodies!!!! Make all classic mags with ule bodies!!

[mjs1217]

I don't know about all ULE bodies, because that might cause the price of the marker to go up. However, I still feel that they should come in colors.

[AGD]

We are going to be cleaning out of all the stainless stuff in the next few months and it will go cheap. The cost for most guns from China today is about 50 bucks wholesale. If you paid more than that for an import you paid for advertising and profit. We can't make our valve for 50 bucks.

AGD

[OysterBoy]

Originally posted by AGD
We are going to be cleaning out of all the stainless stuff in the next few months and it will go cheap. The cost for most guns from China today is about 50 bucks wholesale. If you paid more than that for an import you paid for advertising and profit. We can't make our valve for 50 bucks.

AGD

Can someone make some sense of that for me?
Thanks

[Rather]

It means you may find SS parts on a slight discount I do believe. If so, you can build an awesome SS-RT mag for less than making a ULE-X mag for a good chunk more.

Correct me if im wrong.

[mjs1217]

I had to get someone to explain it to me to, but:
Tom is referring to Kingman. He brings up a good point in that labor there is cheaper than here. That is why they can make guns at such a cheap price. Also, we (my friend who explained it to me and I) think that hes also talking about how Automags can't be sold much cheaper than they currently are sold for.

[GT]

Originally posted by AGD
We are going to be cleaning out of all the stainless stuff in the next few months and it will go cheap.

SS is for real men! Not any of these girly man Al mags

[11_Mile_TMaster]

Also...

Keep in mind, as I think I may or may not have said before, Think of what you have in an Automag Valve... Bolt, Trigger system (essentially), AND a Regulator.

Half the Regulators out there alone are almost the size of an AIR Valve. Look at a Spyder Bolt, And look at a Spyder Hammer and valve. Consider the SIZE of everything.

I know you're all saying, What's your point, 11 Mile?Besides, you're some Freak CSC Student, not an engineer.

Yeah, I'm a CSC Student only because I can't do Diff EQ to save my life. I am good at EE, and know enough ME to know this:

Well, when you deal with less compact-ness, you can have a LOT of slop. You don't need to precision machine parts. You can just slop slop slop. Hence the wonders of things like trigger jobs, And the need for things like aftermarket Bolts/Valves for such guns. If things were made to the sort of tolerances AGD does, Upgrades would be unnecessary, because if you're going to do the tolerances that high, Obviously those high tolerances are going to be used to produce Precisely High Quality Parts, not precisely low quality parts.

Also. Let's go back to that Automag Classic Video. Remember When Tom talks about all the work that went into a Stainless Mainbody? Precision Welding (And even then, the minor lack of precision required such things as PT Spacer kits, If I understand...) Multiple Welds, and Powdercoating.

Spyder Body: Take a block of aluminum. Drill Two Holes out. Make a cut down the center of the back. Make a cut at the bottom. Drill a hole at the top. Lots of slop is enabled by the design... All the extra length the bolt can travel doesn't even really require the Feed Tube and Valve to be a very precise distance from each-other. Hell, I should start making em for fun.


THAT is why a timmy is much more expensive. Tolerances are tighter than a Regular Spyder (j/k)

Aaaanyway, I ranted again, didn't I? In any case, Yeah, It would not be possible to decrease the cost of the Automag without redesigning it to allow for slop.

[tyrion2323]

I think that it could be done...

SS No-Rise body
Classic Valve w/ L10
Intelliframe
Foregrip


AGD might have to manufacture a barrel kit to fit the twist-lock, but other than that....

Jacob

[mjs1217]

I think that perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. The point of this marker is to be more affordable then the other AGD markers, which would mean NO Intelliframe, or Xvalve, or LX, or any of that, because new players don't need that.