Idea for a Budget Mag Package, AGD Please Read...

[Blennidae]

My interpretation of Tom's post is:

Its not in AGD's best interest to build a beginner gun based on the Automag design. The competetion in that market segment costs $50 to manufacture. The classic valve alone cost more than $50 to produce. So its pretty obvious the competition can spend more of its money on marketing their product, and maintain their profit.

However, since AGD is phasing out the SS stuff, you may be able to build an Automag using the older parts for a decent price.

[ChucktheMAGician]

Originally posted by mjs1217
I think that perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. The point of this marker is to be more affordable then the other AGD markers, which would mean NO Intelliframe, or Xvalve, or LX, or any of that, because new players don't need that.

Isn't that what they used to make? Standard RF mags w/ a classic valve and carbon fiber frame. If selling those would have been good enough they would keep doing it. Advancements were made because they were needed. As Tom inferred, he can't make a whole mag and sell it for that cheap and still make money. Losing money would suck just to satisfy the few people who want a cheapo mag.

[Brophog]

Why does this topic keep coming up?

Tom obviously knows that there is a big difference between "selling" and "profit". You can go about making a profit in any number of ways, but the two terms are far from correlative.

If you want a cheap marker, Kingman and Brass Eagle will certainly hook you up. If you want a top quality marker, look to AGD.

[Lohman446]

Besides.. sometimes discounting will hurt you more than help you. Porsche is learning this and practicing

Go into a Porsche dealer, look at the sticker price - look at some of the adds - NO DISCOUNT. You will pay this price. Porsche will not allow their dealers to discount below that price. Sometimes its better to keep the price in the market range of the product you produce (think, the aluminum X-valve, ULE body are cheaper to produce than the stainless were)

[OysterBoy]

Hey tom, since your phasing out all the SS stuff, would we be able to trade in our SS bodies?? DOesnt seem too fair to have a gun heavier then one the same, only released a little after. I mean I just bought mine, but can already see how aluminum would be better.
So, whats the deal?

[Cort95]

Seems a shame to see SS going out with the twist lock, but I understand times change. Personally, I still find the stainless mainbody one of the most attractive features of the Automag, so it seems I'm one of the lucky ones who will clean up when AGD dumps their inventory. Tax refund's on the way, Tom; hurry up and drop the prices on those black powerfeed babies :)

[Brophog]

I agree, the stainless steel bodies are nice.

[OysterBoy]

Well, I'll trade a blast classic right feed for an allumium.

ANy takers?

[Cort95]

Hmm don't remember clicking submit twice...

[OysterBoy]

...didnt u just say that.......

[mjs1217]

Originally posted by AGD
We are going to be cleaning out of all the stainless stuff in the next few months and it will go cheap.

Wait a minute...Does this mean that all the current Classic Mags (that are made otu of stainless steel) will be going for cheaper?

[StickFigurSicide]

what is AGD doing with all the standard AIR valves that people are turning in when they buy X valves?

Would it be possible to put those, the old stainless bodies (which, if they accept trade-ins, would be cheap), a stock minimag barrel, carbon fiber frame, and an expansion chamber (noobs will probably be running Co2)and throw them all on a stock rail? a new minimag cost around $230 if i remember correctly, and if your using traded in (refurbished) parts this price can be significantly lowered, right? I think AGD should look into having an entry level marker (especially since it would also be highly customizable will all of their current upgrades).

Oh well just my $0.25

[11_Mile_TMaster]

Originally posted by StickFigurSicide
what is AGD doing with all the standard AIR valves that people are turning in when they buy X valves?

Would it be possible to put those, the old stainless bodies (which, if they accept trade-ins, would be cheap), a stock minimag barrel, carbon fiber frame, and an expansion chamber (noobs will probably be running Co2)and throw them all on a stock rail? a new minimag cost around $230 if i remember correctly, and if your using traded in (refurbished) parts this price can be significantly lowered, right? I think AGD should look into having an entry level marker (especially since it would also be highly customizable will all of their current upgrades).

Oh well just my $0.25

1: I Don't know where a Mini Retails for that price
2: Refurbished markers would probably have to be sold for SIGNFICANT discounts.
3: IF AGD is truly planning to move to all aluminum parts and Cocker threads, the last thing you would want to do is tick off a bunch of newbies by making a gun that would require them to buy a whole new mainbody to get a barrel (Perhaps I'm a bit, well, stretching, but, All the newer Kits are Not avalilable in Mag Threads. And as an Aside, Pipes look Sweet on Y-Gripped RT Pros.)
4: X-Valve is the future of AGD, at least for now. Let's put it this way; If AGD is lucky enough that they win the SP lawsuit, they would then be able to, in theory, be able to make a Sear tripper without fear. BUT, Everything I've seen indicates that a Sear-Tripper depends on a ULT. And that, once again, is X-Valve. (I know, ULT And Classic can be done. But not without a LOT more setup than a n00b would want.

So basically, you want to sell Newbies into a company with a bunch of dead-end items. Wow, what a great Customer Relations move!

Now, don't get me wrong, I like my classic valve. Hell, it seems to chop less than my RT Pro... although I've no clue why. But, well, A duck's a duck.

[AcemanPB]

Which is cheaper for AGD to make, aluminum ULE bodies, or stainless steel bodies. It seems like the ULE bodies would be cheaper to produce. So maybe in the future we will see a cheaper "classic mag" with ULE body? Maybe once Tom gets rid of the SS bodies we will see a price drop in the ULE ones as well?

[street1356]

YAY!! Cheap stuff!! YAY!!


i love sales


werent those old no rise bodies ss??