mag efficiency? What is all the crying about?

[GT]

SO I was running through other marker forums of pbn trying to get a realistic number of effiency on other markers running a 68/4500. So throwing out the outliars this I what I came up with, keep in mind these are averages Please dont post about how "your boyz" get like 2 cases on an old shocker running a 47ci

Mag LVLX: about 1200-1500
Timmy: 1200-1500
New shocker: 1000-1200 (have read evolve will get you 15-1700 but I want to compare stock to stock)
Old school shocker: 1000-1200
Cyborg: 1700-2000 (still to few threads to confidantly put that number down)
Viking/excall: 1600-1800
Cocker: stock '03 1200-1400
ICD: 1200-1500
Spyder: stock 1000-1400
Blazer: 1000-1300
Impy: 100-1700 (had trouble finding a number here, forum is full of morons that could get like 2 cases off of a 47/3k )
Tippy M98: 1000-1300
Any angel: 1000-1300
Matrix LCD: 900-1300

Now stock I see a few guns that may give a mag a run for its money; excall/viking, cyborg, and impy(?). moded (ie bolt kits or other crap you have to buy to get the gun to work like it should have) makes the list alittle larger; Matrix, cockers', excall/viking, cyborg, and impy's. To me it seems that the difference, even in moded high eff markers, the difference is only a few hundred balls.

Do you guys honestly think mags are that inefficient?

[Havoc_online]

Re: mag efficiency? What is all the crying about?

What is all the crying about?

Amen brother.

[hAppy]

maybe the scene where the gun stops functioning reliable at 800 psi gets them

i never knew i could get that many shots off any of those guns... i never really pay attention

but it sure feels like im out of air faster w/ my mag

[Brophog]

Efficiency anymore is just something for people to compare.

If your going through so much paint that you can't get a big enough HPA tank to suffice, then you'd better start re-evaluating your playing style.

[Lethargic]

Finally, someone comes out with some real numbers...

Mad props to you, brotha (note the cool slang usage)

[GT]

Originally posted by Lethargic
Finally, someone comes out with some real numbers...

Mad props to you, brotha (note the cool slang usage)

I had to get something togther that was semi-concrete on what gun used X amount or propelent. I think I am getting to the point that I would like to spend some big money on a NEW rig. Trust me when I say I make very informed decisions and I needed all the data infront of me. I think I need to call AGD on monday and get the skinny on ordering an X.

GT

[Dayspring]

Amen to that!

Originally posted by Brophog
Efficiency anymore is just something for people to compare.

If your going through so much paint that you can't get a big enough HPA tank to suffice, then you'd better start re-evaluating your playing style.

[Havoc_online]

a big thing when measuring effiency is to know that shooting with paint and dry-firing makes a BIG difference(as does your barrel/paint, etc).

These should be your average numbers on a RT/Emag valve with a tuned level 10 on a 4500psi tank.

45ci leads to around 800 shots
which is a revy and a little over 4 pods.

68ci should give you about 1,200 shots
that's a revy and a little over 7 pods. that's pretty darn good for a 68/4500. Most mid/front players dont take more than 7 pods out on the field.

back players do and back players dont use 68ci tanks.

88ci leads to around 1550 shots
which is a revy and almost 9 pods.

114ci leads to around 2000 shots
which is a revy and almost 13 pods.

[Ov3rmind]

Ay ya, I know most Mag owners would buy an efficiency upgrade in a flash if it was made by AGD. It would be just like that whole "Mags don't chop" mentality everyone had before; but when Lvl 10 came out everyone and their parakete got one. That and Mag owners seem to be the only group who think efficiency doesn't matter. Not to rag on anyone, but the simple fact of the matter is that efficiency is a weak point for the Mag. A lot of people would prefer to not be refilling their tank often (especially those of us who don't have any all day air fields close by).

A few of those numbers seem to be conveniently lowered as far as other guns go as well.

[Phil]

My LX E-mag only got 700 off of a 68/3k. My gun was well maintained and in good working order. My non-LX RT got similarly dismal efficiency.

[FooTemps]

wow, that effiency is sad... only 700? I got 550 with my old classic on a 45/3000... maybe i'm just lucky

[GT]

Originally posted by Phil
My LX E-mag only got 700 off of a 68/3k. My gun was well maintained and in good working order. My non-LX RT got similarly dismal efficiency.

which is about 1050 on a 4.5k assuming you were not getting hot fils. There are a multitude of reasons why some get crappy eff and others are insanly high eff. Heck I read a thread today where a guy got an emag to run right at 1800rnds/68/4500.

Alot of it is in the tunning, oiling, and keep those o'rings fresh.

A few of those numbers seem to be conveniently lowered as far as other guns go as well.

ok,
so can we agree that they are with in 10%? I dont think I am order of magnitudes off in those numbers, although they are rather conserative. I checked as many threads as I could from guys who were actually using the guns, 10% is about +/- 100-150rnds. like I said, to me, and extra 200-250rnds isnt going to make or break me.

[GT]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind
(especially those of us who don't have any all day air fields close by).

I have seen guys reply in this same response more than a few times. IF some of you guys cant get good fills close by maybe running a n2 rig isnt something that is very feasible. Its kinda like driving a ferrari in arakasas, you feel real cool until you begin to search for an authorized dealer to service your ride. At some point it just becomes to much of a PITA to make it worth your while.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by gtrsi


I have seen guys reply in this same response more than a few times. IF some of you guys cant get good fills close by maybe running a n2 rig isnt something that is very feasible. Its kinda like driving a ferrari in arakasas, you feel real cool until you begin to search for an authorized dealer to service your ride. At some point it just becomes to much of a PITA to make it worth your while.

Or you can just shoot a gun that gets good efficiency and be content with compressed air.

[FlameboyC11]

I find it kinda odd that you are comparing guns that vary greatly in price. Most of the sub $300 guns, when upgraded to x-mag prices, could probabily get better efficency. Put $700 into a cocker, and you are going to end up with a very nice efficency #, which, odds are, is going to be higher than a mag. As for efficency itself, who cares? It's not like fields charge extra if you re-fill after every game or so, and if you are shooting more than your tank can hold in one round, that's alot of paint which means you can waste some cash on a bigger tank imo...