mag efficiency? What is all the crying about?

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by Lohman446
Squid, I think thats postwhoring, getting two posts for one... but then again

lol, im not postwhoring. I dont even post to much anymore :)

But ill delete my other post, and just say it. I get 2350 shots on my viking with a 68/45 fill. Dont believe me? Ill make a video sometimes :) And no, I didnt just make the numbers up.

[Brophog]

Were we born in a cave? No, I don't believe any marker shooting at 280FPS will get 2350 shots on a 68/45K tank.

[GT]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
I get 2350 shots on my viking with a 68/45 fill. Dont believe me? Ill make a video sometimes :) And no, I didnt just make the numbers up.

I would love to see it! I had a viking and got nowhere near a full case. there were times I could pull maybe 1800 out of it..

Without reading the whole thread I'd say that efficiency numbers on the internet are similar to BPS numbers.

Yea, I agree that is why i searched more than a few threads lastnight to try and wade through the BS and trust me in those other forums there is tons of it!

have a question about one of your numbers.. you say that old shockers get 1000-1200 shots, is that Air or CO2,

Problem here is that most shockers became ever so more efficient as they past through the years. My eclipse would push right around 1k on a 68/4500 cold, full, fill. also keep in mind that my shockers were all in super shape. I do agree it is alittle high on the 1k+ side, but again I read alot of posts and gave it the benifit of a doubt. its pretty hard to find n2 info on a gun that 90% of its owners use co2 for. Also take into consideration that those true hard core old school shocker owners that ran n2 probally tore thier guns done alot to keep them in tip top shape.

EDIT: also consider that the shocker 'noids always leaked! so keep your gas source off bewteen games if you wanted to get the biggest bang for your compressed ait buck..

[-=Squid=-]

Thats why I Wasnt planning on posting it :) I didnt figgure people would believe me. At practice I will tell murph to bring a camera and try to vid. I bought a case at practice, shot all of it, and still had air leftover. Used wicked calculator skills and figgured up about 2350 shots.

In fact, AKA guaruntees more than 2000 shots on a 68/45 fill... they even say it on video. They claim, if your not getting over 2000 shots on that fill the marker is "broken."

EDIT: ok, me and gtrsi are talking on aim. I refiggured, and it was 2250, not 2350. Still good. We then figgured the issue of shootdown past 450psi (output of tank) so im REALLY getting roughly 2025-2125 shots. Still good enough, and definitely above average.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Vikings and Trix in the old days(when I had them)were much worse and most others are/were a fair bit better.

I don't remember the Vikings ever getting "bad efficiency." The only internal difference between the 03s and and first ones that made a difference on air comsumption were the new noids (which only made them slightly more efficient). Little has changed with the Viking internally, most older ones perform just like the 04s (aside from electronics).

[RRfireblade]

No,I shouldn't have said it like that.I meant trix,far worse and the Vike was a fair bit better.Typed to fast.

[hardr0ck68]

BIG HAPPY PILE OF HORSE SHI.....

yeah i HATE people claiming mags eat air. First off any gun can me set up to gain ~100-200 balls just by tuning and using the right barrle (i would think form all i have read that 10 inch unpotred and sized nicly to the paint would be BEST on air if not a bit loud) Next is the fact WHO COUNTS PAINT? If you spill half a pod when loading do you subtract that 20 from your count? Then of course you ALWAYS get idiots with inflated numbers. I honsetly KNOW i get ~800 shots with my 45 45, and i dont bother to tune my gun nicly nor do i have a barrle kit, i also have leaky slide checks and fittings and whatnot (overnight 2 nights or so all my air will sneak out of my set up) And in the end, if you chose your marker based on air consumption then you have an issue because their are factors that ACTUALLY effect your game (profile, weight, RELIABILITY, consistancy, and so on) if you put efficancy over reliability i think your a fool. A SERIOUS player takes the time to fill between games, takes the time to prepare between every game and is as ready for his 5th game as he/she was for their FIRST of the day. So in closing, SPINTER BOYS IF ARE TO LAZY TO STAND IN THE FILL LINE PLEASE CRY SOMEWHERE ELSE! and if your feild charges for more than one fill buy a scuba or two, or FIND A NEW FEILD cause their takin you up the pooper (its generally $5 to fill a scuba...)

[Lohman446]

Until they get to the point in efficiency that you can use a 12G and fire off 1000 rounds I will be happy where I am. When they get to teh point that I can reliably play a whole tournament game on a single twelve gram (or equally as small nitro source, you know what I mean) stuffed in the handle or similarly out of the way place I will be happy with mags.

[Mindflux]

The one thing I wish is that the mag had a lower operating pressure. My mag starts acting up when my tank hits ~1000 PSI left in it, I wish I could shoot deeper into the tank. That means my 68/3k I can only use 2/3 of the tank...

Shrug.

[Trauma]

is the reason that we have our tank input 800 psi for the xvalves are for the reactivity right? well since we have ULE triggers now and the reactivity isn't really there anymore, a tad but it was reduced, doesn't this mean that we can lower our input to maybe 500 psi or so, and get more shots out of our tank?

[Havoc_online]

Yes, the valve likes a high input pressure, but it uses less air per shot.

Markers that have a lower operating pressure use MORE air per shot.

It's not so one-sided.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by FlameboyC11
I find it kinda odd that you are comparing guns that vary greatly in price. Most of the sub $300 guns, when upgraded to x-mag prices, could probabily get better efficency. Put $700 into a cocker, and you are going to end up with a very nice efficency #, which, odds are, is going to be higher than a mag.

This actually makes no sense at all... What $700 upgrade are you putting into a cocker to increase the efficiency on a cocker?! An EBlade isn't going to increase your efficiency, neither is a new frontblock or inline reg. An $8 spring set is all you need.... $8 friggin dollars.

[Dayspring]

No. The minimum input pressure of a mag is ~600psi. The internal operating pressure is ~450psi. To be safe, you want to put about a 200psi gradient between the input pressure and the minimum pressure. That makes it an ~800psi input.

If you lower the input pressure on the gun- an RT without the ULT, you reduce the kick, correct. If you do it on a ULT equipped gun, it won't cycle reliably b/c of the reduced return force of the ULT combined with the lowered input pressure on the pin. (Same reason you don't use a ULT in an Emag- it doesn't have enough UMPH to push the heavy solenoid plunger/sear)

Originally posted by Trauma
is the reason that we have our tank input 800 psi for the xvalves are for the reactivity right? well since we have ULE triggers now and the reactivity isn't really there anymore, a tad but it was reduced, doesn't this mean that we can lower our input to maybe 500 psi or so, and get more shots out of our tank?

[GT]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
An $8 spring set is all you need.... $8 friggin dollars.

how many shots do you get out of your cocker?

I have a works on the bench right now in pieces as well as a new madmann spring set.... so we will see..

The minimum input pressure of a mag is ~600psi. The internal operating pressure is ~450psi. To be safe, you want to put about a 200psi gradient between the input pressure and the minimum pressure

I am sure this is a case by case deal, but I have run my emag at 615-625 with no problems. Heck I didnt even know there pressure was that low until I was packing my gear up at the end of the day..

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by gtrsi

how many shots do you get out of your cocker?

I will usually play a game or 2 of rec ball on the air that's left in the tank after any of my L10 Mags quit shooting.