New O3 Paintmarker, First Impressions?

[spantol]

The O3 is not a ONE. The ONE has much, much more kick than the O3. I repeat, the O3 is not a ONE. They are completely different guns.
- James Egbert, Odyssey Tech, via PBNation

Also, here's more specs, courtesy of George Spurlock of OGI, again via PBNation:

• rubber ball detent
• push/pull quick-strip bolt system
• twist-clamp low rise vertical feed
• light weight body
• 14" barrel
• 20 bps, upgradeable to 30 bps
• adjustable trigger system
• 7.2 volt NiMH rechargeable batttery system w/charger
• data transfer capable
• custom grips
• bubble touch-pad assembly for mode adjustments(trigger frame)

Here's the PBNation thread: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by speedyejl
Personally I see this as a partial marketing ploy. They can push more one kits by saying our top of the line marker which is just as good as a Timmy or an Angel uses a ONE kit, now your marker can be just as good for $150...

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by tyrion2323
This is a marker that needed to be made - a viable alternative to the Intimidator/Impulse market.

There are already plenty that share the same design at a similar or better price than both.

What I want to know is, at $550, what makes this a better buy than an Impulse or a Bushmaster?

[xrancid_milkx]

I find it funny that more than half of the people who responded did away with the marker, COMPLETELY based on how it looks.

What IF it does have a recharge rate that allows a consistant stream of 27 bps? What if it is the highest performing marker on the market? Will that matter? Or have HALF of you already decided it sucks, solely on its looks?

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by tyrion2323


On that topic, the new 2004 TES is amazing! Take the 2003 TES, overhaul the anodizing job, throw in a clamping feedneck, sticky grips and an upgraded board with multiple modes and a tournament lock - the TES has already begun to blow away the low-end market by offering low prices with mid-ranged performance.

Not to knock on another company, especialy of a marker I have never held... but here is why I think TK is getting frustrated

Look, its just like the 2003 - except
New paint (no performance upgrade)

Sticky grips (arguable, why weren't they there in teh first place)

Clamping feed neck (arguable, cheap upgrade anyways)

Mutliple mode and tournament lock (this wasn't there in the first place (lock at least) you mean this wasn't tournament legal, or multi mode, used by who? was not there and is now, who cares)

But, its an All NEW marker... buy it buy it buyt it... your 03 is worht nothing, this one is soo much better

[dansim]

is it just me or does it look like a very faint 32*logo milled into the body(i mean shape wise) its pretty ugly, and reflective eyes are a bad choice

[Tunaman]

Based on looks...I couldnt sell sell it.
Based on performance...show me the video.
Based on quality...prolly couldn't hold a candle to AGDs' arse...........

Unless...?
Oh...and didn't 7.2v go the way of the dinosaur some years ago? Why in the world would anyone want to use that size battery given the recent MAJOR improvements to the 9v of the same dimensions?

[magking1971]

If this is by the same company that makes the halo are they going to be like when the halo first came out?
You know come to AO hype the heck out of the product then when it comes out, they are gone like a fart in the wind?

[AGDlover]

it looks like a mix of a Timmy and a cocker it does look kinda cool but i do need to see some closer specs on it. The TES, well, I hate it mainly because of problems with the "eye" not working so great, and the idea of useing a Piranhas internal fetures throw it way off

[tyrion2323]

Originally posted by Lohman446


Not to knock on another company, especialy of a marker I have never held... but here is why I think TK is getting frustrated

Look, its just like the 2003 - except
New paint (no performance upgrade)

Sticky grips (arguable, why weren't they there in teh first place)

Clamping feed neck (arguable, cheap upgrade anyways)

Mutliple mode and tournament lock (this wasn't there in the first place (lock at least) you mean this wasn't tournament legal, or multi mode, used by who? was not there and is now, who cares)

But, its an All NEW marker... buy it buy it buyt it... your 03 is worht nothing, this one is soo much better

A lot of people are biting into me here - probably because I didn't buy into the "It's not AGD, so it's CRAP" bandwagon. Guess what guys - Dragun/OGI makes great markers.

I never said that the 2003 models were crap. You made that **** up yourself, fool. The key sentence in your post is
Not to knock on another company, especialy of a marker I have never held... but here is why I think TK is getting frustrated

Right - you have never even HELD a TES or an O3, but you're already putting them down. I have held a TES, and yes, the newer TESs are nicer because they come with extra features. And unlike many other companies, you don't have to pay extra for these features. So here, let me bite back:

Sticky Grips - Many low-end markers don't come with stickies. Hell, unless you get the Intellifeed ($109 for a mech trigger ) you won't get stickies on a 'mag.

The original TES was semi-only. This TES has a new board with a tournament lock so that you can either fool around with diff. modes or play with semi. That's pretty hard to comprehend...I guess.....

Clamping feedneck - Yeah, guess what, clamping feednecks are much better than normal feednecks. They can be adjusted to any hopper. AGD doesn't supply them with their $450 markers, nor do they supply them with their $900 or $1300 markers. Yet the TES includes them for no extra cost.

I wasn't hyping the new TESs are ALL NEW, BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!! I was listing off the new features. TK markets the RT Pro as the ULE Custom, why doesn't anyone jump on him for that? It's the same thing as it was two years ago, but now it comes with what it should have come with...

A lot of you like to bite into OGI because they can market their stuff for less. That's your problem - not theirs. I am not bashing other markers, but let's recap:

Impulses don't come with stock delrin bolts, eyes, tapeworms or blade triggers. the O3 does. Hell, the Impulse doesn't even recock half the time unless you upgrade it with extra parts that you have to pay for. Wow - now THAT's quality

So lay off me and lay off OGI until you guys ACTUALLY USE THEIR PRODUCTS. Until you do, you're no smarter or better than the PBN nerds who claim that mags suck. We all know that mags kick arse.

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by tyrion2323


A lot of people are biting into me here - probably because I didn't buy into the "It's not AGD, so it's CRAP" bandwagon. Guess what guys - Dragun/OGI makes great markers.

I never said that the 2003 models were crap. You made that **** up yourself, fool. The key sentence in your post is
Not to knock on another company, especialy of a marker I have never held... but here is why I think TK is getting frustrated

Right - you have never even HELD a TES or an O3, but you're already putting them down. I have held a TES, and yes, the newer TESs are nicer because they come with extra features. And unlike many other companies, you don't have to pay extra for these features. So here, let me bite back:

Sticky Grips - Many low-end markers don't come with stickies. Hell, unless you get the Intellifeed ($109 for a mech trigger ) you won't get stickies on a 'mag.

The original TES was semi-only. This TES has a new board with a tournament lock so that you can either fool around with diff. modes or play with semi. That's pretty hard to comprehend...I guess.....

Clamping feedneck - Yeah, guess what, clamping feednecks are much better than normal feednecks. They can be adjusted to any hopper. AGD doesn't supply them with their $450 markers, nor do they supply them with their $900 or $1300 markers. Yet the TES includes them for no extra cost.

I wasn't hyping the new TESs are ALL NEW, BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!! I was listing off the new features. TK markets the RT Pro as the ULE Custom, why doesn't anyone jump on him for that? It's the same thing as it was two years ago, but now it comes with what it should have come with...

A lot of you like to bite into OGI because they can market their stuff for less. That's your problem - not theirs. I am not bashing other markers, but let's recap:

Impulses don't come with stock delrin bolts, eyes, tapeworms or blade triggers. the O3 does. Hell, the Impulse doesn't even recock half the time unless you upgrade it with extra parts that you have to pay for. Wow - now THAT's quality

So lay off me and lay off OGI until you guys ACTUALLY USE THEIR PRODUCTS. Until you do, you're no smarter or better than the PBN nerds who claim that mags suck. We all know that mags kick arse.

I never said that the marker was junk, in fact I was very careful to point out that I had no way to judge it. It bugs me to see "all new" paintjob to describe a marker. And I am really looking to frustration factor, as it seems that at least one manufacturer is becoming frustrated by reannoing a marker, adding things that are of questionable performance value, and calling it an all new marker. As for the shot about the ULE RT Pro or whatever it is currently called... good point, but the ULE body offered for a $15 upgrade was an upgrade in my opinion. The big thing is, is the difference in the '04 and '03 worth dropping the '03 and upgrading, I would be hard pressed to say it is. But I doubt the cost is much differetn anyways.

Just for the record, I was using this as an example... and I aws very careful to state that I had no basis to judge the 03 (and thus the performance identical 04 "new marker") on.

Oh, and oops, I should go back, I have shot and held a TES, just never to teh extent to judge it, I was not unhappy with what it was, considering its price and at the point thought it one of the better guns in its price range. However, saying I do not have the knowledge to judge the performance is more easily handled by saying never held one than by tryign to judge a marker on a one game demo

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by tyrion2323
A lot of people are biting into me here - probably because I didn't buy into the "It's not AGD, so it's CRAP" bandwagon. Guess what guys - Dragun/OGI makes great markers.

I think people are more or less pointing out potential flaws.

Right - you have never even HELD a TES or an O3, but you're already putting them down. I have held a TES, and yes, the newer TESs are nicer because they come with extra features. And unlike many other companies, you don't have to pay extra for these features. So here, let me bite back:

Sticky Grips - Many low-end markers don't come with stickies. Hell, unless you get the Intellifeed ($109 for a mech trigger ) you won't get stickies on a 'mag.

Many don't, some do.

PS, Stickys come on the Intelliframe.

The original TES was semi-only. This TES has a new board with a tournament lock so that you can either fool around with diff. modes or play with semi. That's pretty hard to comprehend...I guess.....

Newsflash, no one cares about alternate modes. It's just a way to market a gun towards new players.

Clamping feedneck - Yeah, guess what, clamping feednecks are much better than normal feednecks. They can be adjusted to any hopper. AGD doesn't supply them with their $450 markers, nor do they supply them with their $900 or $1300 markers. Yet the TES includes them for no extra cost.

That's a great feature.

I wasn't hyping the new TESs are ALL NEW, BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!! I was listing off the new features. TK markets the RT Pro as the ULE Custom, why doesn't anyone jump on him for that? It's the same thing as it was two years ago, but now it comes with what it should have come with...

That made no sense. It is much different than two years ago. And I generally don't consider upgrades a thing a gun was supposed to come with two years earlier. That's the whole reason companies make upgrades, to advance a gun's performance over time.

A lot of you like to bite into OGI because they can market their stuff for less. That's your problem - not theirs. I am not bashing other markers, but let's recap:

Once again, they're just pointing out what they dislike. Sorry not everyone is praising this as Christ's return to planet earth.

Impulses don't come with stock delrin bolts, eyes, tapeworms or blade triggers. the O3 does. Hell, the Impulse doesn't even recock half the time unless you upgrade it with extra parts that you have to pay for. Wow - now THAT's quality

Impulses are also about $140 less. Comparing it to a Rat Jr would be more accurate (which is still less money BTW).

So lay off me and lay off OGI until you guys ACTUALLY USE THEIR PRODUCTS. Until you do, you're no smarter or better than the PBN nerds who claim that mags suck. We all know that mags kick arse.

Way to generalize everyone over at PBN. Believe it or not there are some VERY knowledgeable techs and players over there.

[AGD]

Just to let everyone know, we had nothing to do with this and only heard about it when you did. Odyssey did this whole thing in secret, I don't do things that way. I am using this as a test bed to see which way works better.

The hoses seem to be the biggest issue. I think they tried to minimize weight at the expense of exposed hoses.

I will remember your comments and see how the gun does in the market.

AGD

[Mossman]

This was my 1st impression, never seen or heard of it before. I think it's ugly.

Looks like STO cocker body meets tribal frame meets weird junk hanging off the back and regulator and feed tube that don't match the gun at all.

Hopefully it'll work OK with halos :)

[Butterfingers]

Oh man Smart Parts is gonna Have a Field Day.

[Lohman446]

I think that a lot of companies are trying a different attack on SPs patent, saturation. Can't sue everyone, so if you have 50 small front companies producing markers backed by some money that only need to produce for a short tiem, make profit, and close down... Just a vague theory really.