AGD Defunct???

[Bolter]

I really like my X-mag and I play in top tournies. And even though my gun out performs nearly all other guns (i.e no chops at 18bps) I still get little comments from people who I know think that I must own a stainless, heavy, chuffing, mag from the woods era. Even when we beat the cr@p out of decent Pro teams, we still get the comments. Apart from Dynasty. We didn't play or beat them, but they asked us about them in a positive manner. So I think that this is a clever move from TK, keep the winning design, just market it differently, and change its image slightly.

And TK, you will (or maybe not) be suprised by the loyalty of your fanbase. I know for a fact that each and everyone of us on here gives props at all meets, rec days, tournies, walk-ons etc to any un educated fools who just don't know the mag is the best, but comment anyways.

[AGD]

Admitedly electros are the rage right now for the fire power, but ask yourself, is it the electronics or the resulting trigger that you really want?

AGD

[Duck Hunt]

Trigger! TRIGGER!!! I want a crazy *** light trigger pull and none of those stupid curcuit boards. Thats why I can't wait to order my RT Pro with a ULT and see how that sucker feels.

Sean

[Joni]

Exactly what I wanted to hear! Imagine a mech with a electro pull. No batteries, lightweight, fast and reliable.

[Steelrat]

Its the trigger I want, along with the ACE. Lets face it, most of the people buying high end guns are looking for ACE and some sort of bounce. If I could find a mech trigger that felt like an electro, and a antio chop system like level 10 that reset faster, Id be perfectly happy.

[Steelrat]

Oh, I also want a thermometer and a little display that displays "POW" every time I pull the trigger. Must haves.

[trevorjk]

the only real advancements in the paintball community that i see actually making an impact would be great efficiency say at least a case off of a 68/3000 can AKA ecen claim or do that? but as far as speed of all the guns there all pretty much matched and its now up to the user to actually shoot that fast

and as for my mag... i was able to walk it last night insanely fast and i already can hit 13 bps over the chrono and this blew it away and the funny thing is i havent even implemented my trigger mod yet so for those to say that trigger is everything maybe you should put a little practice into pulling your trigger cuase im getting 13bps with my mech mag with xvalve and ult and have been able to walk it recently


***after reading what i just wrote i seam stupid lol but yeah theres a few good points to be made in my post i think***

[Brophog]

Originally posted by trevorjk
the only real advancements in the paintball community that i see actually making an impact would be great efficiency say at least a case off of a 68/3000 can AKA ecen claim or do that?

Your not getting that kind of efficiency out of a pump marker! Its not gonna happen. Even if it did, it will not change how the game is played, which is the real reason the market is where it is at. It will just be a number you throw out there to convince the masses that something is "better".

You absolutely right about speed being overrated. Mech mags can still perform on the field, as can blazers and well tuned cockers.

However, your marketing to people who have chosen not to think. They're into "shiny", "new", and "best". I think some of these people really think its more important to sound good, than BE good. I quite like it that way, myself.

To address Tom, obviously they are after speed. We know that the RT Pro has it in abundance, not only in the area of trigger, but recharge rate as well. We also know that its a lot easier dealing with a tweaked L10 than it is with a faulty eye.

But it doesnt have the silly little LCD screen. It doesn't have the software buffering to make up for lost cycles due to the ACE. It also is not tinkerable or "upgradeable", which somehow, in this industry, and this industry alone, is a desirable quality. If I made a car that needed new steering, new brakes, and $1000 upgrade kit to make it somewhat fuel efficient, I wouldn't sell many cars. Why on earth is paintball different?

I don't like it. I think most high end mechanicals do just fine, but I'm vastly in the minority. Electros are where its at, and due to the current and predictable future prices, they will only gain a larger market. Eventually, mechanicals WILL fall to the side, with only a small percentage of producers making any. That is of course if we continue with our current trend.

Its really no different than when pumps were phased out. To this day I can fire most pump markers as fast as your average blowback. I don't have to deal with chops, I get superb efficiency and consistency. Yet, we see so many blowbacks on the market. To me, its not logical, but that's the way it is.

You either embrace it, or you fold. I'm not a big supporter of trying to beat out the guys who already have a tight grip on the electro market. I'm also not a supporter that mechs can't compete. I'm a realist though, and if you wanna make mechs, you have to do it profitable and within your own market.

[SPLASH1]

If you could make a mechanical marker with the trigger pull and rate of fire of a electro I would be all over that. I personally do not know if it can be done, but I know TK does. That is the one thing that I am sure of TK is one of the smartest men I know in this industry when it comes to markers.

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by AGD
Admitedly electros are the rage right now for the fire power, but ask yourself, is it the electronics or the resulting trigger that you really want?

AGD

Its the lack of user error of an electro - the reason I went from my mechanical mag (non-ULT) to an e-mag was my habit of shortstroking and chuffing with my mechanical mag. Make me a mechanical mag that I can't short stroke and Im all for it. - I know level ten works, but not when I roll a ball a few inches down the barrel and the next oen goes through it.

[barrel break]

well, i see much of the same rhetoric on the wgppress boards, people shouting "mech. Revoloution!" and such, or predicting wgp's demise, the difference is....
AGD= ending production of electro's, moving to niche market of mechs
WGP= moving aggressivley into electro's, losing its mechs..

speaking as an owner of a mech cocker who is trying to trade for a mech mag, i will say that ROF is VERY important in todays market, also, everyone wants the flashiest, fastest, most expensive marker in the high-end market. Mags dont seem to deliver that... (excluding upgraded)
as to Tom's Q regarding taking market share from Tippmann..
visit the tippmann.com forums and see for yourself why people choose tippmanns,
1.reliability (mags've got it)
2.price (mags are way more expensive)

despite this I do not see many new players buying mags, but many experienced players are trading in for mech mags, or trying to....

hope that made some sense...

EDIT: also, this entire thread, and also this board, have depressed me greatly lately....

[punkncat]

Originally posted by AGD
Admitedly electros are the rage right now for the fire power, but ask yourself, is it the electronics or the resulting trigger that you really want?

AGD

I actually swapped back to mechanical from electro, due to the high ROF in the RTpro.I don't have to worry about batteries , rain , bad solenoids ...etc you get the picture.And topped with LVL10 instead of eyes with on again off again reliabilty.Its a no brainer.

To see a mechanical with a trigger as light and adjustable as an electro would be nice......

[WARPED1]

Lots of the rec ballers, the only viable market for mechs, either don't have acess to or can't afford HPA. Therefore, making a mech only scenario gun is paintball suicide.

[Brophog]

That is VERY VERY quickly changing. Fewer and fewer people are playing with low end mechanicals these days, and right or wrong, the "virtues" of HPA have been exploited.

It is quickly becoming "suicide" for commercial fields not to offer HPA.

[smilestyler]

If my emag turns into a dinosaur like an original RT, I will be very disappointed with this move by AGD. But I ordered a new RT Pro to try out the new direction of markers they are suggesting. I don't see it doing well in tournaments, but I have never had anything but Mags so I don't see a choice yet.
Does anyone wish to speculate if the new AGD markers will be compatable with current stuff?